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Humans remain humans. Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices.
> Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices.
you mean like the voices that pretend that vaccines are 100% effective and have zero side effects?
Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't only a matter of antivaxers. If you're in a country in which Polio has been eradicated, such as the US, double check that you're vaccinated. Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. I know that Africans receive the TB vaccine as part of our regular schedule, where many developed countries do not.
>Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. Such as?
From elsewhere in the thread:
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/16/780068006/how-the-oral-polio-...
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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This probably has nothing to do with Facebook. Orthodox Jews and some Muslims sometimes reject vaccines on religious grounds.
No they don't. This is oft repeated, and not true.
They reject vaccination for the same reasons as other anti-vaxxers, there's no religious component, just a human one.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't only a matter of antivaxers. If you're in a country in which Polio has been eradicated, such as the US, double check that you're vaccinated. Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. I know that Africans receive the TB vaccine as part of our regular schedule, where many developed countries do not.
>Various vaccines are no longer recommended because of the virtually nonexistent risk. Such as?
smallpox
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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> anti-vaxxers Instead of having an uneducated opinion, you should know that polio vaccines can sometimes cause... polio. Yeah, that's not even remotely debated, it's well known: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/16/780068006/how-the-oral-polio-... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/vaccine-derived-p...
This is a naive and disingenuous description of vdp.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#57You might wonder how polio gets reintroduced into Israel or anywhere else. The polio vaccines we currently use are imperfect. The oral vaccine is a weakened form but it mutates in the neighborhood of one in a million cases to become effectively wild polio and some years this accounts for most of the poliomyelitis cases. On the other hand, the fully inactivated injected vaccine is non-sterilizing: it prevents poliomye…
This is also somewhat complicated because, as the article notes, sewage monitoring in Israel picks up polio virus with some degree of frequency, despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on, and it's sort of an odd case due to a number of demographic and geopolitical factors. This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Will be curious to see what the result…
Polio keeps being found in sewage in many countries without active cases.
The countries that need the sewage monitoring the most, are the ones least likley to have it, so it's probably even worse than it seems.
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#58Thankfully polio is an extremely treatable disease. Vaccination is still the best form of defense against poliovirus. There’s no free lunch though, and more people are infected with polio from vaccines worldwide than with the wild virus.
https://apnews.com/article/health-united-nations-ap-top-news...
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#59> Indications of the virus have been found in sewage samples in the area Oh this decade is going to be insane. We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. Disease and war back on the front burners.
> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.
> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history.
In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it). So you could have more educated people today but still responsible for much smaller fraction of actual public message.
Also in the past the information that most people received was nicely prepared, packaged and delivered by more or less mainstream media. Clear signal, low noise. For better or worse.
Today truly educated and wise people have no access to public because the signal to noise ratio is too low for most people to be able to pick up.
Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989
#60> Indications of the virus have been found in sewage samples in the area Oh this decade is going to be insane. We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. Disease and war back on the front burners.
> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.
> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history.
The problem is we've had it so good for so long that we don't remember what it was like. Why take a bunch of preventative stuff for something that never happens? Feels like a waste of time.
In reality, those preventative steps are why it doesn't.