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Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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My point is that it's collecting way more data than the single bit it needs in order to tell "yes this ad has been seen, increment the counter".

It's not just about telling if an ad has been seen, but what a user does on your site after clicking on the ad. Do they immediately bounce? Do they buy something? You want to be able to see that you are actually getting a positive return from the money you are spending on ads.

It’s still spying even if there’s a rational reason for it.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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This is it and is how the online advertising industry has worked for over 25 years. In its simplest form the pixel is used to attribute an ad view/click to a conversion event. At the beginning of the online ad industry that’s all it did, advertisers for the first time had the ability to directly, in real time, see the effectiveness of their ads. The economic value and GDP generated due to this innovation is immeasura…

> This is it and is how the online advertising industry has worked for over 25 years. Rotten to the core.

If you have a better way to do it people will literally never stop throwing money at you.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

#113

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This is it and is how the online advertising industry has worked for over 25 years. In its simplest form the pixel is used to attribute an ad view/click to a conversion event. At the beginning of the online ad industry that’s all it did, advertisers for the first time had the ability to directly, in real time, see the effectiveness of their ads. The economic value and GDP generated due to this innovation is immeasura…

This is also why even Apple and Mozilla (companies with a vested interest in harming the ad ecosystem) are pushing for various privacy-preserving ad attribution technologies. Nobody objects to UberEats knowing that their Tiktok ads are working or not - they object to Tiktok cross-referencing the data from UberEats and everywhere else to build an interest profile on them.

That’s not really how it works though. Uber would never allow TikTok to take and sell Uber’s own data, that’s just bad business. Secondly the only data that TikTok would have access to in such a scenario would be whatever campaign data Uber send them in the conversion request, which again, is not licensed for reuse. All anyone cares about is knowing how many conversions occurred and which targeted “audience” those users were in. Oftentimes it’s the advertiser who is bringing those with them - say, a list of emails or phone numbers they want to target. Again, the ad platform is not just taking that data for themselves, because they would not have customers for very long if they did that.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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post #56

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This is honestly very few considering how many different places Uber Eats probably advertises on. I work on helping new Shopify merchants get more early sales, and ads are super important for that to happen. Open up any small and growing e-commerce store and you'll see at least this many. Without ads, you don't find these small businesses, and all consumers just go to Amazon, or other large established marketplaces.

Not on the main topic, but is there a way I can get in touch to discuss how you might be able to help us and our Shopify shop?

From their profile it looks as if they work at Shopify, so probably just through the generic contact page would get you to at least the right department.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is it and is how the online advertising industry has worked for over 25 years. In its simplest form the pixel is used to attribute an ad view/click to a conversion event. At the beginning of the online ad industry that’s all it did, advertisers for the first time had the ability to directly, in real time, see the effectiveness of their ads. The economic value and GDP generated due to this innovation is immeasura…

This is also why even Apple and Mozilla (companies with a vested interest in harming the ad ecosystem) are pushing for various privacy-preserving ad attribution technologies. Nobody objects to UberEats knowing that their Tiktok ads are working or not - they object to Tiktok cross-referencing the data from UberEats and everywhere else to build an interest profile on them.

How does Mozilla have a vested interest in harming the ad ecosystem?

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

#116
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I'm no ads expert but my guess would be they run ads on TikTok and have the pixel on UberEats to figure out the conversion rate on those ads.

This was my first thought. How is this not everyone's first thought?

My first thought was that most people use TikTok on mobile, whats the point of this (if the ad takes them to play store/app store or to the Uber eats app). Then I realized that this is probably aimed at tracking for new signups, they probably send them to the app stores with a redirect to their site in the middle. TikTok probably doesnt forward them the user identifier hence the tiktok pixel on their page, so they can see the effectiveness of the ad on some TikTok ads dashboard.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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As someone that has spent a sizable amount of my career in ad products, the outrage here is kind of (sadly) funny. A conversion pixel? Hah, if you only had an idea of what the Facebook data faucet looked like in 2007-2017, your hairs would stand. Pretty sure they were breaking all kinds of PII laws.

What PII laws are there in the US?

https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/privacy-laws # California State summary

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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post #83
post #56

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This is honestly very few considering how many different places Uber Eats probably advertises on. I work on helping new Shopify merchants get more early sales, and ads are super important for that to happen. Open up any small and growing e-commerce store and you'll see at least this many. Without ads, you don't find these small businesses, and all consumers just go to Amazon, or other large established marketplaces.

Not on the main topic, but is there a way I can get in touch to discuss how you might be able to help us and our Shopify shop?

It's a hard topic. My team mostly does experiments, A/B tests on new merchants to see what nudges leads to better results overall. The reality is we have a lot of ideas and we're trying to get data to figure out those answers. But we don't truly know yet.

The hard part (as far as I can tell) is product market fit and finding your customer base. Once that's established, you have some momentum, leading to repeat customers and lower acquisition costs. IE: once an ad network has some existing customers to build a model on, it's cheaper to target ads on similar customers.

But that initial part is very hard. New privacy rules, like Apple's changes, are a good thing generally, but they make it more expensive for small businesses to acquire initial customers because ads are less effective, so you have to pay for more of them to find your customers. That gives Amazon (and other established competition) a massive advantage. They know everyone deeply and can target everywhere very precisely.

I've heard that the Shopify subreddits are well liked by merchants. Good info there.

There's also the Gurus that can provide some support for free, as well as you can hire an 'Expert' through Shopify to get even more help.

All this is to say the most groan-inducing phrase in business: you've got to spend more to make more. And there's no guarantee that you'll earn it back because business is hard.

Re: Why is there a TikTok tracking pixel on UberEats what is this crap?

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DNT is not the solution though. DNT status is not readable by JS (by design), so DNT cannot be implemented in the client. So all tracking calls are still made over the network. It is then up to the server processing those calls to drop them if the DNT header is present. Thus, there is no way for a user to verify that DNT is actually honored. Hotjar is probably the only one (claiming to be) honoring DNT consistently.…

That's not true. There's Navigator.doNotTrack[0]. It works, but it's deprecated and I'm not sure what the replacement is. [0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/d...

It's deprecated because DNT is deprecated since barely anyone respects it
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