Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends • Hacker News Board

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by gspetr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

Etherlord87 wrote: post #610

goldenkey wrote: post #559

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Then they risk getting shot or stabbed by a pro Putin thug or agent. Your advice is patently bad.

Are russians really such cowards? I always thought to the opposite, but this constant look for excuses why not rebel against putin, why not protest, and now even why not wear a t-shirt really changes my mind. If you're russian, and you call yourself a russian, and you speak russian, and you don't change that for years, and feel no responsibility for what your government is doing whatsoever, honestly, you deserve the…

Depending on where you do it, it might go down about as well as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDnvXAkMnx8

(Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995) - Bad Day in Harlem Scene)

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by leshow » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

lowkey wrote: post #731

leshow wrote: post #675

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I'm sure the world would love to hear your solution for how to end the conflict in Ukraine with zero collateral damage anywhere. To me, it seems like there is simply no way to make the ruling class of Russia suffer without invariably harming the average Russian.

Unfortunately I don’t have the perfect answer to immediately end this conflict with no collateral damage to anyone as you said. That doesn’t mean I advocate arbitrarily punishing innocent civilians for the actions of their rulers - especially when those rulers are proven to be authoritarians who can and will ruthlessly crush dissent from their populace. If you read my other comments on this thread you will see I shar…

> Namely the west should cut off Russia’s supply of money by banning the purchase of Russian oil.

I don't think that's sufficient. You mentioned the collapse of the ruble, this is an outcome that heavily effects Russians but also directly effects the ability for the war to be financed. In the end, you cannot separate the two, in order to apply enough pressure to one you must invariably harm the other.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

enaaem wrote: post #667

throwoutway wrote: post #599

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Perhaps rather than protesting, silently walking around holding signs that use of sarcasm? (To circumvent the anti-speech laws) “Putin is king! Glory to USSR!” “Synonyms for conflict may contain the words: war, special operation” “Is the special operation over yet? My mother wants to see my brother” “What’s next Vladimir?” Subtle civil disobedience that the cops will overlook until it’s too late (I’m making a lot of…

Turning "special operations" into a meme is a great idea. Use it jokingly in every day life. If everyone start using it you have won your first battle.

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by gspetr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:19 PM UTC

bitcharmer wrote: post #194

BobbyJo wrote: post #153

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Leaving is an effective way of changing it.

On the contrary. Leaving results in cementing the status quo because the population that remains are blind Putin followers.

A ton of celebrities pledged to leave if Trump got elected.

Well he did.

Yet, almost nobody kept their oath.

And it's not like they stayed on and took up arms either.

And if you don't want people to leave, then that automatically means you are very pro-border, because if these economic migrants are to be denied, then all undocumented migrants everywhere should be denied, by virtue of being people who did not fight hard enough to improve their lot in their country of origin.

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Post by axiosgunnar » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:20 PM UTC

blueyes wrote: post #486

I've been told by people inside that Russian citizens are trying desperately to leave the country for three main reasons: 1) They do not want to be conscripted to fight in Putin's war. 2) The Western sanctions are impacting Russia's economy at every level. Western companies are cutting them off from goods and services they rely on. Those who experienced life behind the Iron Curtain do not want to live behind it again…

> The iPhone curtain

If one could invest in slogans that will soon be in every history book, I would go all in on this one :-)

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:23 PM UTC

NicoJuicy wrote: post #581

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #393

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Yep, and EU is no better... they even banned RT... imagine banning CNN when USA attacked afghanistan. But this is the start of the war, and there is A LOT of propaganda everywhere... everyone in the west is trying to show russia as losing everywhere, while they're conquering basically everything, on the other hand, they say that russians have destroyed whole cities, and only two short clips of the same building are s…

Eg.Yugoslavia's issues were internal. Ps. A lot of people left RT because of it's propaganda and it's idiocracies even before the ban.

Yugoslavias issues were internal, until nato/usa started the bombings in 1999.

It doesn't matter that they left, the problem is the lack of free speech, because RT was the only medium that reported some things that most european newshouses avioided.

Obviously RT is displaying propaganda now, but so is everyone else, sadly.

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Post by gspetr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

nuccy wrote: post #146

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

[disclaimer: Ukrainian here] > Older generation (who are pro-Russian) suggested being careful around young people as they may be hostile to Russians, even those who are running away from Putin Of course, instead of even attempting to change your country, where there is no war on its territory, you flee. Why should they be kind to you? > The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countrie…

"Silence equals support."

This 'translation' is either ignorance or deliberate malice to mislead people.

"Silence is a sign of consent" would be an accurate translation, and even then a saying is just a saying, it does not mean it always applies or that it is always true.

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Post by lowkey » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:30 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #748

lowkey wrote: post #653

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I disagree. The suffering of Russian people is very avoidable. For example if the US and Germany had the political and economic will to stop buying oil from Russia and thereby directly funding Putin’s war. Instead they chose broad indiscriminate sanctions that, while politically convenient are absolutely devastating to everyday Russian plebs. The Ruble has collapsed leading to hyperinflation on everyday goods the peo…

>Many innocent Russians will die directly because of the actions of the west. They will die because of the actions of their own government.

They will die because western governments find it politically more convenient to apply broad indiscriminate sanctions against all citizens of the country instead of cutting off funding from the head of the snake by NOT buying Russian oil & gas.

The only crime committed by regular Russians is being born inside an authoritarian regime that pretended to be a democracy for a time. The genie is out of the bottle and Russians know that protesting their government could land them in the Gulag or worse.

Stop playing with people’s lives! Yo have obviously never lived under an authoritarian government. People rising up in a new Arab Spring may sound romantic but it is more likely to end up in many more deaths than overthrowing this givernment.

Elsewhere I advocated for the west banning the purchase of oil along with subsidizing energy prices for affected populations.

You repeatedly ignore my proposal or even explain what is wrong with the idea of de-funding the Russian war machine by no longer giving the Russian government millions of dollars/Euros.

Why won’t you address my core point instead of deflecting and blaming an entire nation’s citizens?

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Post by pydry » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:31 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #548

pydry wrote: post #493

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>So only some countries have the right to decide their international affairs? Should Russia schedule a delivery of nuclear weapons to Cuba for this week or next? >Ya know The Us feels very threatened by Belarus. They should have to withdraw from their alliance from Russia and decouple Is that because of its close proximity to Maine? I guess it's closer than Iraq...

> Should Russia schedule a delivery of nuclear weapons to Cuba for this week or next? Frankly, I couldn’t care less. But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons, well, that’s your problem. Recall that Russia exited nuclear arms treaties and controls, which were the result of an insane arms buildup and included activities like putting missiles in Cuba. Even the…

>But if you think a country choosing to ally with a country is the same as positioning nuclear weapons

I think encircling your border with an offensive military alliance is very much like placing nukes 100 miles away and pointing them at you, yes.

I wouldnt want the military alliance that destroyed Libya anywhere near me if I thought I could be a target. Having a strict "dont end up like Libya" policy is actually a fairly sensible.

>This is called whataboutism

It's called sarcasm.

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Post by gspetr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:34 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #723

gspetr wrote: post #719

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>Recall that Russia exited nuclear arms treaties and controls From game theory stand point that is the only course of action to maintain MAD. If you're falling behind in drones and high precision weapons, it would be very disadvantageous if everyone went nukeless.

Which only holds true if you want to be an adversary. NATO countries don’t care about Russia as a military adversary except to the degree that they want to be one. The Cold War is over. Russia could just grow into a prosperous economy and ally with the west. They choose not to.

If that's true then if you were a rational actor why would you overspend on military, even if we adjusted by cost of labour, GDP per capita and other relevant economic parameters? US spends more than the next 10 countries by military spending combined.

US was the dominant influence behind economic reforms in Russia in the early 90s, so I do not understand how that argument can be made in good faith. It's Dr. Frankenstein blaming Frankenstein (his creation) for being a monster.

Also, if the Cold war was over - why did NATO even expand? A lot of people on HN say that it is a purely defensive alliance, why would you expand if you were acting in good will, especially when you said you would not?