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Post by stickfigure » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:01 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #666

Etherlord87 wrote: post #610

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Are russians really such cowards? I always thought to the opposite, but this constant look for excuses why not rebel against putin, why not protest, and now even why not wear a t-shirt really changes my mind. If you're russian, and you call yourself a russian, and you speak russian, and you don't change that for years, and feel no responsibility for what your government is doing whatsoever, honestly, you deserve the…

It's not cowardly to avoid wearing controversial shirts. There are nuts everywhere just look for reasons to be set off.

The OP seems genuinely concerned about hostile treatment just for being Russian. Trying to look inconspicuous won't help if you're cornered in an alley by an angry mob.

Choose your risk.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by sharpneli » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:02 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #699

sharpneli wrote: post #682

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Moldova has a separatist area maintained by Russian troops. Transnistria. So in a way Russia has already attacked them, though not yet tried to conquer, yet. Also Moldova shares no land border with Russia, yet (and very much hopefully not). Finland is the only land border sharing non nato country left.

What makes you think Russia would invade Finland? I seriously doubt that would happen.

I recommend reading some material about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

It's very influential book in Russia that has influenced their policy goals. It was written in 1997. A lot of it feels rather prescient considering the current world situation, which is likely not a surprise.

What they considered for US was that they should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"

UK was to be cut off from European politics and Germany should be the new lead of central Europe. Well, UK did distance itself. And up to few weeks ago Germany was the one most against united front against Russia.

There is plenty of other stuff there. Annexation of Ukraine is just one of them (alongside annexation of Belarus which they have de facto achieved). Annexation of Finland is one of the goals too. Hence I have no doubts that it would happen at some point.

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Post by Etherlord87 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:04 PM UTC

evv555 wrote: post #507

Etherlord87 wrote: post #365

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I am empathetic to your situation, but if you lived in Russia and paid taxes in Russia, you did support Putin. You also supported him just by living there, which was a statement that Russia is a place worth living in. Also if you didn't protest, you did support him passively. The same can be said, probably to a lesser extent, about most of us living outside of Russia - if we bought things coming from Russia or didn't…

>The same can be said, probably to a lesser extent, about most of us living outside of Russia - if we bought things coming from Russia or didn't criticize Russia, we supported Putin in a similar way. Though it could be argued we, non-russian citizens don't have the responsibility for russian government's actions... If that's the threshold for responsibility then that's barely scratching the surface. Western banks hav…

So do you mean Europeans or Americans are responsible to a larger extent than Russians? I only compared "our" responsibility as lower, but still recognize it and don't intend to downplay it - actually I think I'm being downvoted because I dare to put some responsibility on OP, as if it was a popular idea that an individual means nothing and has no effect on the world... We need to grow up, we do have an effect and what happens in Ukraine just now should prove that avoiding it is worth the effort.

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Post by mancerayder » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:05 PM UTC

tsol wrote: post #409

adventured wrote: post #320

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> NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. That's the single biggest falsehood of this whole thing propaganda wise: that the Russian people aren't responsible for what's going on. The Russian people are responsbile for their culture, which keeps producing and promoting authoritarianism, decade after decade, generation after generation…

And western people are responsible for a culture that colonizes half the world. Why do you always escape punishment?

ColonizeD half the world.

There've been empires for many thousands of years, and for a number of decades now (we can't say a century yet), there haven't really been any. There've been foreign interventions and neo-colonialist activities and exploitation, but on the grand scale, and relative to all of the past, you have to be honest and admit the worst is over. There's a complete culture shift in countries like Britain and France which, by the way, have a large number of immigrants, and specifically from their ex-colonies. These folks vote, and without a large amount of propaganda, people don't readily want to bomb other countries.

Point is, there is a lot less rampant hawkish nationalism than there was in the middle of the 20th century, where the mores were very different as was the foreign policy. We're not perfect, but we've evolved.

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Post by awb » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

doix wrote: post #594

justinpowers wrote: post #494

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Banning cats? Banning vodka? Firing Putin supporters? This is bloodthirst? This is disregard for innocent children? I must have the wrong dictionary. [edit:as far as being simply “anti-Russian”, perhaps this qualifies. I can see how it might be concerning and even foreboding. And we should keep an eye on it. But i think it’s a stretch to call it anti-Russian. At this point, it’s really just anti-war and equivalent to…

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens when the war ends. If there are significant reparations to be paid and if the sanctions remain, I think this easily opens it up for a repeat of WWII. Similar to post WWI Germany, Russia will be fucked. Putin will eventually die (natural causes/bullet to the head) and the next guy will be a bigger nutjob that rallies the people behind him by blaming the West/Jews…

It’s certainly an important lesson.

There were a lot of other ones too though like would WWII have happened if the Allies enforced German disarmament?

The world is different now today though and far more global. Post WWII, West Germany and Japan became Western success stories by integrating them into the global economy.

I suspect future post-war reconciliation will like more like WWII than WWI.

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

roveo wrote: post #351

331c8c71 wrote: post #151

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One possibility is that Yanukovich is more humane than putin or lukashenko. I don't know enough about him to compare but the last two are merciless dictators.

There's another thing that was different at Euromaidan vs current Russia: Yanukovich and his people had somewhere to run (Russia). Putin doesn't.

He doesn't have to run to someplace, he can just run into some stuff. Preferably a bullet.

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Post by GoldenMonkey » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

bsedlm wrote: post #11

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

The Russian soldiers can’t lay down their arms?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

lowkey wrote: post #653

hagy wrote: post #618

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Yes, it is unfortunate that ordinary Russian citizens are being harmed by the sanctions. But that is unavoidable and an acceptable side effect of weakening Putin’s war machine. We need to eliminate his ability to wage an inhuman war of aggression and asphyxiating the Russian economy that power’s his war machine is our best available option. War, including economic war, commonly involves massive harm to civilians. Tha…

I disagree. The suffering of Russian people is very avoidable. For example if the US and Germany had the political and economic will to stop buying oil from Russia and thereby directly funding Putin’s war. Instead they chose broad indiscriminate sanctions that, while politically convenient are absolutely devastating to everyday Russian plebs. The Ruble has collapsed leading to hyperinflation on everyday goods the peo…

>Many innocent Russians will die directly because of the actions of the west.

They will die because of the actions of their own government.

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Post by vmception » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:11 PM UTC

quadcore wrote: post #668

vmception wrote: post #463

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> FYI I was giving a practical advice to someone in need of a sure grey-enough area thats available now. Yeaaahhh I’m honestly going to need a source, not some conjecture from the Luna/TerraUSD discord. Is that really what they say over there to attract so much interest in their algorithmic stablecoin? > you have to be compliant to a subset of KYC to run their api - sorry i dont have the detail on top of my head Tell…

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MIM uses the same model except the collateral choices are better, so far, as they are all interest bearing or revenue producing assets such as xSushi and liquidity pool shares.

I dont think TerraUSD is inherently better. The space is littered with algorithmic stablecoins. TerraUSD has done phenomonally well, I dont think it offers anything except being on par with MIM. I would say MIM and TerraUSD as equals for different reasons, and then DAI due to having greater liquidity than MIM and simply being around longer.

I think there is still a gap in the market for the perfect stablecoin. I would like a MIM with a better team and more predictable outcomes.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by cmurf » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 10:14 PM UTC

andrey123 wrote: post #316

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

I think Russians are responsible, but I do not think they are 100% responsible. But whatever the responsibility is, the punishment will be collective and disproportionate. Some of that will be fair, a lot of it will not be. The young kids today, and not yet born, who had no ability to become part of a rebellion, will be punished. The old folks today, the ones who have died since Putin was in power, they're not going to get any extra punishment. They can be asked no questions, they can provide no answers.

If it is true that a Russian should have protested and gone to prison, in order to avoid Putin starting this war or the next war - isn't it also true every human is somehow fractionally responsible for not having tried to assassinate him? Like, how could that even work? To what degree are nationals responsible for the actions of their leaders? And when they fail to act, how should they be punished for it?

I'm proposing we still have a significant flaw with our international agreements and institutions intending to preserve international peace. Because there's a lot of mistakes that have been made since WW2. The recent events in Ukraine tell me that despite being flawed, we need these institutions more than ever or we're absolutely going to blow up the world again.

And one of those flaws, in my opinion, is the permanent security council veto power. It is not much security or a counseling, when permanent members can violate the charter and veto resolutions trying to hold them accountable. The U.S. has done this, and so has Russia. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that, and the various violations aren't even comparable. We should hold Russia accountable, but we cannot forget the Treaty of Versailles when figuring out how culpable the Russian people are. What are the proper incentives for any other country in the same situation? Is there something that would be more useful to preserving international peace than punishing Russia?

Hell, maybe a suitable punishment would be making Russia into a democracy, it could be worse. (This is supposed to be funny, but I know in advance it's kindof a bad joke.)