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Post by risyachka »

veganhouseDJ wrote: post #403
risyachka wrote: post #337

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Have you seen any major rebellions in Russia in the last decade? No. Here is a kicker - there were few coups even in North Korea. So russians are fine with regime. And even though actions speak louder than words, most people even didn't SPEAK against it until few days ago. So unless you openly spoke against putin and regime for years, you were part of the problem. Also, in Ukraine people go against armed forces with…

All easy to say as you post this from the comfort of your home.

I've been on Maidan in 2014 mate, when all the crazy shit happened. So when I say people are not afraid to get hurt for freedom here - I know what I am saying.

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Post by Etherlord87 »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #198
croes wrote: post #186

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The Nazis were stopped from outside and the USSR by people from it's government because of it's economic downfall.

> The Nazis were stopped from outside Yes, after killing 30 million+ people. It would have been much easier if Germans didn't enable them or someone took out Hitler in 1938. And we punished Germany for generations because of it. The US still has military bases there to this day.

> And we punished Germany for generations because of it.

Poland, who fought Germany with the biggest % casualties, ended up in a much worse state than Germany, because of russian occupation in the form of communism (Germany had a healthy part to take over after USSR collapsed) and no participation in the marshal plan.

So I have doubts if we can speak about Germany being punished for generations.

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Post by 331c8c71 »

trhway wrote: post #527
331c8c71 wrote: post #324

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The ukranian army benefits from the human shield. The russian don't since they can't attack without causing civilian deaths (and the associated backlash). But I guess you believe the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can.

You're repeating Russian propaganda that is straight from the German Nazi playbook. "If you don't defend your cities we wouldn't have to kill your civilians there." >the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can the Russians are indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian residential areas, including using prohibited cluster and vacuum munitions. When it comes to eating, the Russians are marauding stores for food and al…

I don't know what nazi propaganda was. The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage.

Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. They are not covered by geneva convention and I don't think Russia signed no-use treaties for them (it doesn't make these munitions less horrible).

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-oldvideo-notrussia...

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Post by doix »

justinpowers wrote: post #494
artificial wrote: post #490

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It’s very similar to the Iraq war, the rhetoric “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” “if you’re not against Putin you’re pro Putin”. World wide negative sentiment against Russian people is amplified. Similar to 1914 with Germans with many anglicizing their names. It’s not like Putin respects votes. [0] https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchest... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/…

Banning cats? Banning vodka? Firing Putin supporters? This is bloodthirst? This is disregard for innocent children? I must have the wrong dictionary. [edit:as far as being simply “anti-Russian”, perhaps this qualifies. I can see how it might be concerning and even foreboding. And we should keep an eye on it. But i think it’s a stretch to call it anti-Russian. At this point, it’s really just anti-war and equivalent to…

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens when the war ends. If there are significant reparations to be paid and if the sanctions remain, I think this easily opens it up for a repeat of WWII. Similar to post WWI Germany, Russia will be fucked. Putin will eventually die (natural causes/bullet to the head) and the next guy will be a bigger nutjob that rallies the people behind him by blaming the West/Jews.

I don't know what the best course of action is right now, maybe the sanactions are the optimal choice. But afterwards, I hope people remember history and what happens when you kick a country that's already fucked.

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Post by goldenkey »

djhn wrote: post #406
belter wrote: post #363

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Are the Russians of the older generation, that get their news from most of the official news, buying into the government story? Or do you think everybody already realized what is really happening in Ukraine?

The boomers are unfortunately lost to propaganda.

That's crazy considering that the FSB bombed its own citizens to get Putin into power..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

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Post by diordiderot »

armchairhacker wrote: post #304
optimalonpaper wrote: post #192

No one thinks that a regular Ivan from some russian city (on his own) is responsible for the war and should suffer. And I see how you could (and probably should, at some level) feel sorry for russians fleeing the country. But this is the only way to tell them that they -- collective Ivans, Russian society as a whole -- should stand up and act: they should articulate their content, they should protest against putin's…

Acting in Russia puts you in a very dangerous situation. Already protestors are being jailed, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the military starts firing at or bombing or gassing protestors. Someone who starts war like this doesn’t respect civilian life, Ukrainian or Russian. Would you, personally, put your life at risk just to be one more protestor? I agree that Russians should stand up to Putin, but honestly it’s a l…

What are they gonna do? Arrest everyone. Eventually the enforcers will get tired of it too

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Post by freedomben »

dj_gitmo wrote: post #554
andrey123 wrote: post #316

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[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

American here, and I am involved with the US anti-war movement. I really wish we could get 5% involved with the movement, but people don't get interested unless it starts affecting them or their family. To this day, the most active members of the US anti-war movement are baby boomers because they were being drafted to fight in Vietnam. The US ended the draft after Vietnam. The sanctions in Russia could build resistan…

Agree completely. May I ask, how big is your anti-war tent? For example, in my experience the most anti-war people are anarchists (sometimes disambiguated to anarcho-socialists) and anarcho-capitalists. However only a small percentage of each group is willing to join with the other for an issue. Are you? Are you part of an organization like this?

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Post by foxfluff »

jquery wrote: post #327
formvoltron wrote: post #195

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There are already young people brave enough to protest with just 2000 people protesting. I'm talking about a million people standing outside and walking towards the Red Square, shaking their keys. If Russians cannot manage this, then I do not have sympathy whatsoever.

I saw a picture of a Russian mall from yesterday, lots of people out and about shopping like nothing is amiss. So far the Russian protests are pretty anemic (I mean in numbers, not in passion, and I greatly respect those currently protesting), it seems most Russians are a lot more concerned with the status quo, and that life is still pretty comfortable for them while bombs rain down on Ukrainian civilians. There’s so…

> So far the Russian protests are pretty anemic (I mean in numbers, not in passion, and I greatly respect those currently protesting)

Well I don't know about passion. I've seen videos where there are a lot of people protesting but when the police come grab a girl, everyone just stands around watching and filming. When the police come running at a crowd, the crowd runs away and it fizzles out. There's none of the Maidan passion.

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Post by throwoutway »

enaaem wrote: post #532
andrey123 wrote: post #316

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[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

You can read the book: Blueprint for Revolution: How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World It proposes many interesting strategies and ideas on how to protest in dictatorships. Be subtle, use humor and focus your message on the most common people. Don't call for democracy, free speech or anything like that. You will be…

Perhaps rather than protesting, silently walking around holding signs that use of sarcasm? (To circumvent the anti-speech laws)

“Putin is king! Glory to USSR!”

“Synonyms for conflict may contain the words: war, special operation”

“Is the special operation over yet? My mother wants to see my brother”

“What’s next Vladimir?”

Subtle civil disobedience that the cops will overlook until it’s too late (I’m making a lot of assumptions here)

Make it so subtle that it feels like it’s a waste of time to arrest. Until everyone is doing it

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