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Post by politician »

grujicd wrote: post #314
coldtea wrote: post #261

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> maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; I think they're mostly grown in countries doing the imposing of sanctions. If they had to suffer the consequences of sanctions imposed on them, for what their own countries did, they'd have a much different understanding.

These people also have no idea, except abstract one, how it is to live in authoritarian country, when access to non-government news is hard or impossible, and even saying your opinion can be dangerous. As someone who was on the receiving end of sanctions in ex-yu, despite being antiwar and going to protests, I can’t ever support wide sanctions which affect all people. Years we were under sanctions were the worst year…

You oppose sanctions. Do you support a global nuclear exchange? Sometimes bad things are necessary to forestall worse things.

The stark reality of Mutually Assured Destruction is that America will turn Russia, its military, its cities, its dirt into radioactive glass if they launch their nuclear weapons. Look at this reality in the face and then decide if you still oppose sanctions.

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Post by tsol »

mantas wrote: post #283
lolinder wrote: post #61

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I'm all for annihilating Russia's economy (even if it means civilians are caught in the crossfire) but the treatment GP received after leaving is extremely disheartening. The goal should be to welcome fleeing Russians with open arms and make it as easy as possible for them to permanently put down roots.

The problem is how to separate Russians fleeing Putin from Russians who just look for financial comfort and still support Putin. One of stark examples is Turks in Germany still voting for Erdogan.

Maybe this is very American of me to say-- but what about them? They have freedom of speech even if it's not something I agree with. We don't throw everyone who calls themselves nazis into jail.. why try to punish everyone who might agree with Putin? Are we in the business of policing political attitudes now?

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Post by TravelPiglet »

lmilcin wrote: post #309
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

I would like to discern between personal and collective responsibility. Yes, it is disheartening that so many people will personally pay for this regardless of the fact that they might even be vocally opposing this and other actions. No, I don't think Russian people are absolved as a nation. I believe that nations are collectively responsible for their actions. Explanations that "I have only followed orders" have lon…

Nobody is forcing Russia to be part of the global economy and global society. They are abusing the system as much as they can get away with and now complain when the most of the world agrees that it worth stop supporting an abusive country. If you don’t want to follow the rules, don’t complain when you’re kicked out.

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Post by veganhouseDJ »

Tistron wrote: post #47
bsedlm wrote: post #11

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a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

Everywhere I've seen anyone motivate restrictions on Russian citizens it's been about pushing them to revolt against their government, not about punishing. I don't know whether it makes sense, but it does seem like one of few avenues to try to get rid of putin that has low chance of resulting in atomic war.

I just can't believe any thinking person believes that punishing the Russian people has any chance of getting rid of Putin.

He has had all the time in the world to insulate himself and plan exactly for that situation. I bet he doesn't even come in contact in person with anyone he doesn't know from the Soviet days at this point and the people he does are probably guilty of all kinds of things themselves if Putin was done away with.

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Post by 9214 »

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

FYI, I heard that Georgia plans to introduce visas for Russians, because local population begins to worry of all the immigrants taking jobs.

Meanwhile, in Russia's remote places (small town in Ural region) some grocerry shops have imposed food rationing for essentials (sugar, bread, wheat, flour, etc) because of panic-bying. And it's snowing as if during Ragnarök, nordic end of times.

Among my friends and relatives we half-jokingly discuss that, while potato harvesting and mushroom picking were a sort of recreational leisure activity in the past, now they are destined to become an essential part of this summer season.

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Post by johannes1234321 »

Etherlord87 wrote: post #365
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

I am empathetic to your situation, but if you lived in Russia and paid taxes in Russia, you did support Putin. You also supported him just by living there, which was a statement that Russia is a place worth living in. Also if you didn't protest, you did support him passively. The same can be said, probably to a lesser extent, about most of us living outside of Russia - if we bought things coming from Russia or didn't…

> You also supported him just by living there, which was a statement that Russia is a place worth living in.

Not that people necessarily have a choice. They need visa, working permits (qualification!), money to create a new live elsewhere and also probably have family or health related things keeping one in a place.

> Also if you didn't protest, you did support him passively.

In a totalitarian state demonstrating isn't as easy as in other places. You easily end up in jail.

Of course it is true that a state can only exist while supported by the inhabitants, but it's not as easy as saying "leave or be loud in protest"

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Post by vmception »

quadcore wrote: post #375
vmception wrote: post #299

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DAI and MIM are a more battle tested model than TerraUSD But yes a basket of stablecoins is good right now

DAI and MIM are KYC-ed at their root so I wouldnt go for them, Edit: you have to be compliant to a subset of KYC to run their api - sorry i dont have the detail on top of my head, I do know its the case for USDC and last I checked DAI was KYC-rooted too. Everything thats stablecoin usd is KYC-rooted but TerraUSD which you cant purchase with usd on some major fiat ramp. Also KYC is recursive right, if youre KYCed you…

What do you mean by that, you can buy and earn DAI and MIM without KYC, and they continue to function autonomously whether the founders have a regulatory issue, have survived and maintained their peg during volatile stress tests with the collateral, and they can be sold without KYC, they also cannot freeze an individual address

Edit: to your edit, thats not accurate, all data is available onchain and can be read, new dai and mim can be created by adding collateral, programmatic interaction is done via ABIs, there is no need for a third party API even if they are offering one

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Post by BbzzbB »

belter wrote: post #377
BbzzbB wrote: post #344

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I'm glad you left in time, hope you find somewhere to stay and that your loved ones are safe too. First sinister thought that crossed my mind when two days ago I heard he'll likely prevent people fleeing on the 5th was that there must be some 40 million "fighting aged" men not doing essential work (for a military economy) under a despot out of medieval times. How significant do you consider the probability he's block…

"Putin denies rumours Russia was going to declare martial law" https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/puti... This mean will be done next week....

Yeah right, just like he's denazifying Ukraine. He "won't have a choice" (horrific words in this context) but to use military force to compel the populace into complacency if there's merely a hint of civil revolution.

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Post by Glawen »

lowkey wrote: post #336
traceroute66 wrote: post #270

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> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. Its easy to say that but you have to look at the bigger picture. It's easy to say "just punish the government / the oligarchs", but as most Westerners know, these people have become extraordinarily adept at hiding their money and distributing their assets. So it is very difficult indeed to target them per-se, hence you nee…

I feel like you are conveniently skipping the part where millions of ordinary Russians are being economically devastated by broad brush sanctions that punish the poor and middle class Russians who are innocent of war crimes, simply because they were unfortunate to be born in the wrong country and they may justifiably be afraid for their lives if they protest. For those who say beat the war drums, punish them all, jus…

The sad truth is that Putin can only be removed from within Russia, by Russians. We cannot attack Russia without risking nuclear war, so imposing hardship to every russians is the best move we have.

The guy is mad and made a bad strategic move by starting an unpopular war. This is the opportunity

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Post by TravelPiglet »

vlaaad wrote: post #329
bitcharmer wrote: post #214

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Judging by the number of Russians taking the easy way out by just fleeing or complaining about the evil west closing their Ikea stores this nation at the moment has zero capacity to take responsibility for their own government. I'm afraid it has to get much worse before it gets better. They still don't understand that as much as the government is responsible for its people, the people are also responsible for their g…

Why would I take responsibility for something I have zero influence over? He did just appear when Yeltsin said that he's leaving. He blatantly fakes elections: 146% support is a very telling result of one of these elections. It is a meme in Russia because when you can't do anything about it you can only laugh or cry. His 20 years on the throne are a constant stream of murders, poisoning and jailing of people who try…

Well you can move abroad
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