Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends • Hacker News Board

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#71

Post by yoavm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #41

ajross wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. What's the option, though? Inaction? Sanctions hurt the people because hurting the support base is the only way to exert pressure on those unrepresentative governments. At the end of the day, all governments operate via the consent of the governed, even autocracies. But the expression of that consent gets really ugly the l…

what's going to happen with so many countries / companies cutting Russia off is that it's going to play into Putin's narrative that Russia is surrounded by enemies. Imagine you are a neutral teenager who never cared about politics, then Playstation takes all your games, you don't have access to any of the media sources that can explain the situation (they are all banned now), you can only hear what government tells y…

Repeating the parent comment - What's the option, though? What better things can we do to help the > 1,000,000 Ukrainian refugees, and all the other millions that are currently being bombed by Russia?

Putin _is_ getting his power from the Russian people. It's unfortunate they believe his lies, but they do, and that's what makes him strong.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#72

Post by Yajirobe » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

Tistron wrote: post #47

bsedlm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

Everywhere I've seen anyone motivate restrictions on Russian citizens it's been about pushing them to revolt against their government, not about punishing. I don't know whether it makes sense, but it does seem like one of few avenues to try to get rid of putin that has low chance of resulting in atomic war.

Americans about US wars: 'we cannot do anything about our government - they engage in wars and we couldn't stop them if we tried'

Americans about Russian wars: 'the average Joes need to go out to the streets and bring Putin down'

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#73

Post by daenz » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

moonshinefe wrote: post #54

daenz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't even confirm their statements, but I may be using google trends wrong: >More Russians are asking Google “how to leave Russia” than have done so in 18 years since such data became public. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Why would they be searching in English? Also those numbers are "relative popularity" on a scale of 0-100. I'm seeing what the article claims here, more or less. But it's a little unclear exactly what search terms they were all checking.

>Why would they be searching in English?

Good point, here's the Russian translation of "how to leave Russia", which doesn't appear to be much different than the English version.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

EDIT>> This is wrong! My mistake, when I translated, I accidentally switched the source country back to USA.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#74

Post by pawelmurias » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #43

formvoltron wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are afraid Putin will use nuclear weapons. We don't like that he came from a KGB background and that he seems to be friends with mafia. And that he likes to assassinate his rivals. If the Russian people are so much against Putin and on the side of the West, then why not arrange them to all leave their apartments at the same time, to walk into their central squares, and to start shaking their keys -- as the Czechs…

Fair chance it would turn into a bloodbath. Better would a national strike. Equally difficult to organize but much harder to attack.

In this hypothetical scenario I'm pretty sure if united all the Russians would manage to hang putin by his ball from the Kremlin pretty easily.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#75

Post by loufe » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #10

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

And this is the exactly why lies and dis/misinformation are so dangerous to society. It makes every source questionable, even one’s like the economist that have tended to give fairly accurate balanced news. The first amendment is a double edged sword, but all false statements need to be challenged so that a free and Democratic society can function properly. The problem is that lies are cheap to produce, and the truth…

Herman and Chomsky effectively disproved the notion that mainstream media gives "balanced" perspectives on news in Manufacturing Consent. The trouble is that media has a massive reliance on government institutions for sourcing information and advertisers for revenue. The way that information is withheld from government sources in the case of dissent from doctrine, or money is held back from corporations in the case of dissent from their interests creates patterns and frameworks of self-censorship and framing that twist information. None of this means our news networks are evil, but they are subject to the rules of the game and the only reason they are still going today is because they learned to play ball.

You can question the lack of a perspective in reporting, or doubt the framing of provable information without losing faith in the system. It should almost be seen as your job as a responsible news-reader to look past the propaganda (i.e. systemic limits on information conveying) as best you can, while not becoming entirely jaded or entirely untrusting.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#76

Post by Procedural » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #60

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Quoted post unavailable.

> Another reason we don't like Russians is that they are afraid to stand up to their own government.

What about billions of Chinese that are afraid to stand up to the communist party?

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#77

Post by gostsamo » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #39

gostsamo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a story on front page yesterday for russian IT specialists who want to get out. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30552091

There are 100's such stories, all of which center on the very lucky few who still have the means to move themselves around and some hard currency. For the remainder it will be very hard to do anything at all.

It will be, but it does not mean that they don't want to try.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#78

Post by therusskiy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

formvoltron wrote: post #60

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Quoted post unavailable.

try blaming people born in North Korea, maybe if they are sanctioned and hated more they stop "voting" for kim jong un?

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#79

Post by Mikeb85 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

CyberRabbi wrote: post #59

Mikeb85 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on Twitter, Telegram, YouTube, anywhere. You'll see plenty of primary videos and accounts corroborating this. You're right, 1 source alone isn't reliable. But there's a massive body of evidence out there, this whole war has been televised. And the Ukrainian narrative has way more evidence than the Russian one...

Those are all primarily western platforms. Even if they did show what you are claiming, it wouldn’t prove your point. RT is blocked on Telegram and YouTube for instance.

Telegram is owned by Russians and operated out of Dubai... Western countries have literally warned about it for that reason... Twitter has large shareholders in the Middle East.

Also I forgot TikTok. Plenty of vids there. Owned by the Chinese. You can check that out.

But hey, keep swallowing that Russian propaganda...

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

#80

Post by hervature » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #13

slim wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe someone else is falsifying google trends ?

I can't even confirm their statements, but I may be using google trends wrong: >More Russians are asking Google “how to leave Russia” than have done so in 18 years since such data became public. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Here is the Russian translation (I am not Russian speaking, just used a translator) that is much more proof and addresses another comment on your post. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...