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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by bsedlm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government.

maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by bsedlm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #3

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

What motivation does Google have to falsify their Trends data? If anything, I think this is more valuable than anecdotal evidence. It's a relatively trustworthy source delivering the same data they always have, and letting you draw the conclusions.

but what about Yandex? as far as I recall, they're bigger than google in russia, hence any google data is missing most of the picture

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by daenz » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

slim wrote: post #8

smoldesu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What motivation does Google have to falsify their Trends data? If anything, I think this is more valuable than anecdotal evidence. It's a relatively trustworthy source delivering the same data they always have, and letting you draw the conclusions.

maybe someone else is falsifying google trends ?

I can't even confirm their statements, but I may be using google trends wrong:

>More Russians are asking Google “how to leave Russia” than have done so in 18 years since such data became public.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by berberous » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

I generally agree with you for most stories and facts about the war, but this one is just obvious.

The ruble has declined and the Russian stock market has been closed all week. Russia has been sanctioned. Russia is sending people to fight in a war. There are rumors (whether true or not) that Russia is planning to close borders, impose martial law, etc. Those are all verifiable facts.

In the face of the above, of course people are considering leaving Russia. That is just smart and human nature.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by martinko » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Have you considered being paid in, for example, USDC? You could then get a visa card that you could top up with it for spending.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by ajross » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

slim wrote: post #8

smoldesu wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What motivation does Google have to falsify their Trends data? If anything, I think this is more valuable than anecdotal evidence. It's a relatively trustworthy source delivering the same data they always have, and letting you draw the conclusions.

maybe someone else is falsifying google trends ?

It's an aggregate over (almost) all the search traffic on the internet. That would be an awfully tall order even for the US government to pull off undetected.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by dandanua » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

To filter a lie you can try to use logic and critical thinking. It's clear that sanctions and isolation are gonna be devastating. Many people joke that Russia is heading towards "stone age". Thus, it's absolutely logical that people just want to flee the sinking battleship.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by Mikeb85 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

Go on Twitter, Telegram, YouTube, anywhere. You'll see plenty of primary videos and accounts corroborating this. You're right, 1 source alone isn't reliable. But there's a massive body of evidence out there, this whole war has been televised. And the Ukrainian narrative has way more evidence than the Russian one...

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by thepasswordis » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

martinko wrote: post #15

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Have you considered being paid in, for example, USDC? You could then get a visa card that you could top up with it for spending.

This is a good idea. The only issue will be if any of the offramps start banning Russian citizens as well.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by 331c8c71 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

Haven't read the article but it's true that people are leaving. Some IT companies are relocating their employees in a company-wide efforts.

Obviously not an option for everyone. The sanctions will be hardest for people will low income e.g. elderlies without family to support them.

Also in the last 10-15 years there was quite a (non-governmental) movement to support kids with rare diseases or generally with complicated conditions. This becomes much more complicated I guess if just for the FX rate.