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Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by VieEnCode »

rvieira wrote: post #50
xen0 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so pro-government that the government feels the need to discredit it? Interesting...

Yes, it's strange. Mind you that the several accusations of bias (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/18/bbc-trust-says... ) are political and Nadine Dorries' angle is "wokeness", not political party bias. So I'm assuming it's a way to shift public debate to the "culture war" topic, where people are more emotional, less rational, than say the economy, etc.

This is not just a Dorries thing, she is merely working from the script. I believe that focusing on culture war issues as a front for Tory vote-winning was becoming a key focus under Munira Mirza, and I only expect it to intensify in spite of her departure.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by bencollier49 »

the_other wrote: post #71
rvieira wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two BBCs. BBC News and BBC TV programmes. BBC TV programmes (from fiction to documentaries) are among the best of in the world in terms of productions. BBC News is incredibly biased pro-government. IMO, this all stems to the changes David Cameron did to its structure and funding, making it effectively averse to "upset" the government. They also have this view of "balance" that is best exemplified by invitin…

It’s really not “incredibly pro-government”. It’s anti-rapid change; pro-middle class; pro-a-comfortable-quality-of-life; anti “changing the system” whilst still “improving on the details”. Some of its reporting feels pro-government because it’s telling the story of what the government is saying it’s doing. Watch any of the “just off the peak time” broadcasting and it’s very keen to hold politicians to account, to po…

In addition to your points, the perspective is rather "metropolitan socially-liberal". I would disagree that they are anti rapid change on social issues.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by atomicity »

dataflow wrote: post #51
spacehunt wrote: post #48

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You can't simplify a double negative like that, when there's more than 1 bit of information. "They are [not] noticeably worse than others" can mean any one of the following: - They are worse, but not noticeable - They are on par with others - They are slightly better than others - They are much better than others - They are the best among others

Those all seem consistent with "among the best" to me. Otherwise you would have some outlets that are noticeably better than this one, which is precisely what is claimed to not be the case.

They are implicitly comparing media sources to non-"media staples", such as your gut or your dreams. There may be "general information sources" better than those.

Seems like Node.js isn't the only language where people notably introduce dependencies.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by [deleted] »

rvieira wrote: post #37
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

I'm always a bit perplexed when people hold up the BBC as an example of a respectable, unbiased news source - a lot of their stuff is ham-fisted, and some of it is flat-out propaganda. I wouldn't say they are noticeably worse than other media staples - everything is biased - but they don't deserve to be on the pedestal they are put on.

There are two BBCs. BBC News and BBC TV programmes. BBC TV programmes (from fiction to documentaries) are among the best of in the world in terms of productions. BBC News is incredibly biased pro-government. IMO, this all stems to the changes David Cameron did to its structure and funding, making it effectively averse to "upset" the government. They also have this view of "balance" that is best exemplified by invitin…

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Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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rvieira wrote: post #78
Angostura wrote: post #67

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> BBC News is incredibly biased pro-government. If anything it's pro status-quo or pro establishment it has a bias towards liberal democratic values and the norms. As politics swings about, the BBC has a dampening effect which is valuable. So if you look at the extreme of Johnson's incompetance, you will see the BBC scrutinising it quite heavily - but similarly with Corbyn in the past. The fact that government cultur…

I gave my opinion on Dorries' approach further down on the thread. Interestingly, the heavy scrutiny only came after the govt's threat of "defunding" the BBC in 2021. It was never there for the 2019 election, for instance or the Brexit referendum. Also, the Tory party never accused the BBC of political bias, but rather "wokeness", so this is just an attempt to shift to the public debate to "culture wars", rather than…

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Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by arprocter »

VictorPath wrote: post #76
smackay wrote: post #30

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Except for viewers in Scotland.

Or when the Irish elected Sinn Féin MPs to parliament and the voices of the MPs were banned from the BBC.

That wasn't BBC specific - it was a law for all UK media

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%931994_British_broa...

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by phaer »

nomilk wrote: post #86

What's with the random characters in the Tor URL? Are Tor URLs always like that? www.bbcnewsd73hkzno2ini43t4gblxvycyac5aw4gnv7t2rccijh7745uqd.onion/

Yes, it's an encoded public key, identifying the service. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion#Format

even "bbcnews" is part of that key, probably brute-forced until that prefix was found.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by Veen »

VictorPath wrote: post #76
smackay wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for viewers in Scotland.

Or when the Irish elected Sinn Féin MPs to parliament and the voices of the MPs were banned from the BBC.

Those Sinn Fein MPs also happened to occupy leadership positions in the IRA, a proscribed terrorist organisation responsible for assassinating several MPs, launching mortar attacks against Downing Street, blowing up a hotel the PM was staying in, and murdering numerous civilians in indiscriminate bombings.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by ck2 »

yabatopia wrote: post #80
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

I'm always a bit perplexed when people hold up the BBC as an example of a respectable, unbiased news source - a lot of their stuff is ham-fisted, and some of it is flat-out propaganda. I wouldn't say they are noticeably worse than other media staples - everything is biased - but they don't deserve to be on the pedestal they are put on.

I'm getting sick and tired of baseless comments like this being the top comment. I want to read about the real topic, additional information, different insights, ... a real discussion about the original article, link, project. Too many discussions are getting hijacked and turned into irrelevant clickbait and a waste of time.

HN could maybe offer a workaround to this by allow the reddit-like three option sort, "top new controversial" (then also allow per account default sort setting?)

I vaguely remember HN pages are built statically though, so three versions would have to be built? That might have been many years ago and has changed.

If voting weight cannot be trusted anymore in the world we live in, then change the sort.

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