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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

cudgy wrote: post #209
serpix wrote: post #130

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Supplication to a tyrant worked only to incite unprovoked invasion and war crimes. The west believed that integrating Russia through economy and trade would bring us together. It only revealed Russia is not yet ready and still believes everybody is out to get them like some traumatised recluse. Enough is enough, the west has awoken to the sad reality that Russia has not changed. Also the Baltic sovereign nations reme…

You do realize that Russia has more nukes than any country in the world, right? Whether you like it or not, cornering Russia in this way and not offering a way out of this mess without some dignity is an invitation for Putin to do something catastrophic and desperate. Big talk like this is foolish and could end up with a nuclear nightmare regardless of which side is right.

Putin isn't some madman sitting on a launch button. No matter how desperate he gets, he needs military command to follow through on an order to start world war 3.

Considering how superbly Russia is fucking up a simple ground invasion, I'd say any threat of nuclear escalation is empty at worst.

Putin says roll tanks into Ukraine? Yeah fine, military commanders oblige. They won't lose much over it. Putin says nuke the world? Well, about that... Even military commanders still want to survive.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by mopsi »

pydry wrote: post #185
jl6 wrote: post #69

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Western media bias works by using selective reporting and omission, plus artful mixing of fact and opinion. It doesn’t too often make up outright bare-faced lies like we see coming from the Russian government.

On this topic I can think of two that I'm seeing on a regular basis. 1. NATO is solely a defensive organization. Libya is the clearest counterexample but there others. 2. NATO never gave assurances it wouldnt move east. There are a number of recently released diplomatic caches that prove this to be false https://larouchepub.com/other/2021/4824-chatham_house_lies_a... https://news.antiwar.com/2022/02/21/uncovered-docu…

1. Lots of things get discussed. This was such a minor topic that Gorbachev didn't even recall it ever having been on agenda. Ultimately discussions lead to a formal agreement with a text approved by all sides and that's what counts. There is no formal agreement, only tiny snippets that mention it ever having been discussed.

2. The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. Even if such assurances had been made, a number (most by now?) of former parts of the Soviet Union have stepped away from it and applied for NATO. Why should Lithuania be eternally bound to an assurance made to the Soviet delegation, which at the time represented Lithuania? Even if all former members of the USSR applied for NATO, should they be denied because of the alleged assurance in the past to an entity that no longer exists?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by _ph_ »

cudgy wrote: post #203
konart wrote: post #111

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> First of all, at least 40% of the planes are home-built, so aviation in Russia most certainly will not come to a halt. Home-build - maybe, but not without parts from the US\EU, not to mention most of the production equipment is not Russian too and you have to maintain it or replace it at somepoint. Oh and to build something you need materials - some are local, some will have to be replaced if possible. This will be…

Or salvage parts and engines from the leased Boeings if they are comparable.

That would assume they are willing to break their contract and not returning the machines. Which they can do, but then they will never be able to lease a machine again. At best, this buys them a couple of months of operations.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by _ph_ »

twelve40 wrote: post #127
robin_reala wrote: post #112

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Home-built doesn’t mean “all parts produced in Russia”. And it just takes a handful of parts to be included in sanctions – especially with just-in-time manufacturing – for an entire production line to grind to a halt.

There are about half a dozen SSJs and MC-21s produced every month, let's check back in a couple of months from now, and see if those lines ground to a halt or doubled their production. I'm curious myself!

And how many of them are using home built engines and not engines bought in the west?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by 0xedd »

m_fayer wrote: post #178
2xpress wrote: post #137

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Maybe you got down-voted by pissed-off Russian men, but your prediction regarding what will happen in the Russian society is spot on. The problem with the alcoholism and prostitution over there has already been pretty bad, but now it will of course get much much worse. Unfortunately, so far in history Russia has only been a one huge long tragedy. Navalny gave a speech at his kangaroo trial that his wish is that Russi…

He's getting downvoted for the retrograde gender attitude. Even if he's making a valid point, casually using language like "men protecting their women" and "any man will..." makes me roll my eyes and reach for the downvote before I even realize what's happening.

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by _ph_ »

usr1106 wrote: post #113
_ph_ wrote: post #80

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Container shipping is about to be reduced, Maersk just announced that they would only ship food to Russia going forward. Aviation in Russia might come mostly to a halt. About 500 airplanes are leased and have to be returned within a month to the leasing companies, the rest is running out of spare parts quickly.

> About 500 airplanes are leased and have to be returned within a month to the leasing companies, Putin will make a law that returning airplanes to abroad is illegal. Foreigners have not been allowed to sell Russian shares already nearly a week. So nothing new there. They cannot fly to most countries anyway, so the risk of getting them confiscated while landed somewhere is small.

Well, yes, they can keep and operate them illegally. Short term: problem solved. Long term: its even worse.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by [deleted] »

satellite2 wrote: post #152
mijamo wrote: post #141

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It is not about defending but presenting the point of view. It is easy to find articles explaining the Taliban point of view and why they had support in Afghanistan (I even saw a very interesting 5 hours documentary on the national french television not long ago with interviews of prominent talibans). It is not easy to find articles explaining the Ukrainian point of view in current Russian media.

> It is not easy to find articles explaining the Ukrainian point of view Is it? Or is it just like the documentary you mention, somehow factual but leaving you only with contempt and outrage?

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by d1sxeyes »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #215
usr1106 wrote: post #132

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A very high percentage. You are in Moscow and the customers have income well over Russian median. They speak foreign languages. There are over 100 millions over Russians that live in a very different world, for those the percentage will be different.

On the other hand, does the political opinion of anyone in Russia actually matter outside of Moscow?

Massively. Those people are majority Putin appeals to to win elections.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

twelve40 wrote: post #157
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #155

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Do you expect them to fly Cessnas now?

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Clue me in which large manufacturer of passenger plans you have on your mind. There is practically nobody left any more. Boeing, Airbus and Embraer are controlling the market and all of those are directly or indirectly sanctioning Russia right now. Bombardier at this point is practically Airbus. In Russia there is one locally manufactured plane that has some traction from Sukhoi, but it also won't be able to be serviced or produced any more as key components are now sanctioned.

So whom do you have in mind now? Comac?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by d1sxeyes »

Seems a bit disingenuous to run adverts asking for contributions like:

'Делаем честную журналистику вместе с вами'

Tell us you need help, but don't make claims that you clearly aren't fulfilling.

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