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Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by greendesk »

b3kart wrote: post #147
Klaster_1 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of Novaya backers, I voted for it to continue operations, even under the censorship. The Novaya team and their readers are bright people who can write and read between the lines, a working independent media of any form, not blocked by roskomnadzor, is more valuable than none. The alternative was to shut down and wait until the situation resolves. I admire their resolve.

I am conflicted about this. On one hand, people’s livelihoods are at stake, and one can argue some news is better than no news. On the other hand, by continuing reporting on events unrelated to war, are we not helping Putin’s regime to push the “it’s all fine, don’t worry about the war” agenda?

You go to jail for any reporting related to the war in Russia. No exceptions. One way to check is go to to a news aggregator, like news.Google.com, choose Russian region for Russian related news. Use a translate service to get a view what information is shared. I have done it out of a habit - and the level of control is extreme that no useful information is shared.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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viraptor wrote: post #49
twelve40 wrote: post #38

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there are plenty of planes flying in and out, container ships delivering, and cross border payments happening, right now.

Not for long potentially. I don't have the link right now, but someone posted an interesting thread on Twitter how to fly planes you need a lot of international support. Down to things like supply of replacement parts and access to repair manuals. Their estimate (not sure if accurate) is that in 3 weeks, domestic aviation in Russia will become very hard to run. (Boing and Airbus already suspended providing replacemen…

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by smcl »

Svoka wrote: post #45
okareaman wrote: post #6

I admire that Russians seems to be able to accept their fate and hope for a better future. I'm afraid this same scenario in a large American city would be pandemonium.

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If you're talking about the general public in Russia, they've been misled about what is going on and have very poor chance of finding out the truth that their country has invaded their neighbour and that it is utterly brutal. If you find this hard to believe, remember that there are Americans who right now do not believe there is a war going on and that it's all fake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo7tWhre9hs

This sort of sweeping generalization of a people as either evil or good is wrong and unhelpful at best, and at worst takes us down a really dark path

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by blackoil »

twelve40 wrote: post #134
viraptor wrote: post #49

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Not for long potentially. I don't have the link right now, but someone posted an interesting thread on Twitter how to fly planes you need a lot of international support. Down to things like supply of replacement parts and access to repair manuals. Their estimate (not sure if accurate) is that in 3 weeks, domestic aviation in Russia will become very hard to run. (Boing and Airbus already suspended providing replacemen…

Might come as a surprise, but Boing and Airbus are not the only civil airplane manufacturers in the world.

Practically they are the only ones. While Chinese and Russian make some of their own they are still dependent on West for engine and other critical components.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by _0w8t »

konart wrote: post #107
_0w8t wrote: post #34

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I talked with friends in Moscow at the beginning of 2020. They said there were simply no good alternatives to IKEA. There were reasonable furniture from Belarus if one looked for things made from whole wood, but then one still may need to hire somebody to fix/adjust it due to quality control issues. Plus there were small Russian companies, but their stuff while good was expensive. Things that were produced by bigger…

To be honest this sounds like a fairytale to me. IKEA has\had good things like lamps and tabletops. But the furniture has terrible quality. I'm still kind of angry at myself for buying their Stockholm cabinet. You _have_ to fix it agains the wall to stop the wiggling (that's what the manual AND their support tells me). Unfortunately we really don't have anything that is mass-production and of good quality at the same…

It is not а fairytale. It just tells the state of Russian furniture industry if they cannot match even IKEA despite cheap labor and raw materials.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by twelve40 »

smcl wrote: post #158
twelve40 wrote: post #134

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Might come as a surprise, but Boing and Airbus are not the only civil airplane manufacturers in the world.

They're certainly not, but they're the biggest and the Russian airlines already own or lease a lot of Boeing and Airbus planes. Aeroflot is nearly all Airbus[0] and Rossiya[1] (largest operator of Russian-made Sukhoi planes) is around half Airbus, half Sukhoi. They could indeed just scrap these and buy a shiny new fleet of, say, Embraer jets but that would involve retraining pilots and support staff, not to mention a…

Just like Embraer would have a ton of trouble delivering a 500 plane replacement, think about what would it take to return 500 leased planes (and for the leasing companies to lease them to someone else to avoid going bankrupt, and for Boeing to deal with a deluge of cheap second-hand planes, etc etc).

Even if all 500 planes are instantly returned at the end of March (how?), there will be reduced traffic to Europe due to the current European bans, and the rest of the traffic will be handled by the remaining fleet. I'm not even talking about Comac or other options.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Aeolun »

waffleiron wrote: post #149
jdrc wrote: post #97

These kind of photos always impress me about the number of people who are on their phones. We dont live in countries anymore, we live in screens with our legs on some kind of ground. I hope it's not irreversibly long until these stores can be reopened. We should stop pretending we re living in the cold war era, world is always new. Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. After the fall of puti…

> Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. In which way, so far only a single country has used nuclear weapons in war, and it’s not Russia.

To be fair, they just happened to be the only ones with nukes at the time. Someone had to try it sometime to figure out exactly how horrible it would be.

It’s much preferable that it happened with a 20kt bomb, as opposed to a 20Mt one.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by m_fayer »

2xpress wrote: post #137
delegate wrote: post #86

Photos of queues in shops and empty shelves is the only resistance left. Any non-official information about the war is punishable with 15 years in prison camps. What's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy, but what's happening in Russia as a result of sanctions is quite tragic in itself. Currency is in free fall, hundreds of companies closed shops and offices, many will lose their jobs, etc. This will hit marriages and…

Maybe you got down-voted by pissed-off Russian men, but your prediction regarding what will happen in the Russian society is spot on. The problem with the alcoholism and prostitution over there has already been pretty bad, but now it will of course get much much worse. Unfortunately, so far in history Russia has only been a one huge long tragedy. Navalny gave a speech at his kangaroo trial that his wish is that Russi…

He's getting downvoted for the retrograde gender attitude. Even if he's making a valid point, casually using language like "men protecting their women" and "any man will..." makes me roll my eyes and reach for the downvote before I even realize what's happening.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by jdrc »

waffleiron wrote: post #149
jdrc wrote: post #97

These kind of photos always impress me about the number of people who are on their phones. We dont live in countries anymore, we live in screens with our legs on some kind of ground. I hope it's not irreversibly long until these stores can be reopened. We should stop pretending we re living in the cold war era, world is always new. Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. After the fall of puti…

> Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. In which way, so far only a single country has used nuclear weapons in war, and it’s not Russia.

in using the rules-based order (its right to threaten people with nukes) to break this rules-based order

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Aeolun »

raverbashing wrote: post #123
jacquesm wrote: post #59

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Yes, NATO donating some training and a couple of A-10s would be an interesting move. Obviously it is never going to be that simple.

True. But I'm afraid there are several issues and training is not a 2 day affair even if the other issues didn't exist https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/no-the-us-air-force-isnt...

Huh? Don’t we have some servicemen on vacation in Ukraine right now? They’re just there on holiday, sightseeing in their A10.
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