Using Cyrillic would allow to avoid digraphs and diacritic.
Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#202Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio
As a Pole, both languages are readable, but InterSlavic takes less effort and feels more natural. This FAQ matches my intuitions. That said, I would be curious how it works for other Slavic languages. Or, in other words, is it sort of equidistant or favors one language or the other? I mean, the FAQ claims that it is the easiest for Czechs and Slovaks (is it because of their geographical centrality and possibility tha…
As a Slovak I can confirm it's pretty easy to read both, although I hate the usage of cx, sx, ... instead of č, š, ... in Slovio.
I feel like Interslavic is closer in vocabulary to Slovak, but the form of the words is a bit foreign (reminds me of some other Slavic languages, although I can't quite figure out which one), while the opposite is the case with Slovio - the form of the words feels closer to Slovak, but the vocabulary itself feels more "Russian" to me.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#203It seems that today, a data-driven computer model might be able to produce a much better artificial language than was previously possible. If you have grammar, vocabulary and text corpus for each language, parameters for number of speakers who would presumably learn the language, then you could perhaps optimize for minimal learning curve for the most people.
AIUI, this was tried for the Lojban lexicon and didn't really work all that well - the result ended up being extremely unintuitive no matter what your "source" language.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.
There is such an idea of a greater connection between Slavic nations called Pan-Slavism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism ). When it comes to "one country" - the USSR aimed at that, and from the perspective of hundreds of millions of people, it wasn't the best idea. Plus, I think that ethnic states are one of the worst inventions of the 19th century, which accelerated a lot after WWI & WWII. I prefer cities…
I think single language would be wonderful and Interslavic sounds really good to me (btw. Serbian).
The one country thing, I think USSR made it unpalatable, but a lot of conflicts would not be happening if there was some construct that allow simpler work and life in Slavic worls. Something like EU, without bureaucracy, maybe just rule that people can cross countries easier and live and work.
I don't think it would be problem of Russians being the most numerous, as long as people would use Interslavic in communication and be able to travel and work more easily.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is such an idea of a greater connection between Slavic nations called Pan-Slavism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism ). When it comes to "one country" - the USSR aimed at that, and from the perspective of hundreds of millions of people, it wasn't the best idea. Plus, I think that ethnic states are one of the worst inventions of the 19th century, which accelerated a lot after WWI & WWII. I prefer cities…
The problem with panslavism is that Russians would have majority, and Russian states were almost always authoritharian and oppressive.
Let's bring back to Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, only under a more inclusive name.
Russia wasn't always authoritarian, though. Before the Mongols, it was a bunch of independent, freedom-loving cities. Sort of like the American Wild West.
I feel like we need a new experiment in inclusive governance, and that Slavic countries are the place to do it.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#206That web page is like a time capsule, serious 90s vibes. Just add tag somewhere in there to make it complete.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#207As a Czech (i.e. slav) I have to say I understand 99% of Interslavic when reading it, or even listening to it. With Slovio it's slightly less, and some forms don't feel very slavic.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with panslavism is that Russians would have majority, and Russian states were almost always authoritharian and oppressive.
Let's bring back to Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, only under a more inclusive name. Russia wasn't always authoritarian, though. Before the Mongols, it was a bunch of independent, freedom-loving cities. Sort of like the American Wild West. I feel like we need a new experiment in inclusive governance, and that Slavic countries are the place to do it.
Yep, it’s the Three Seas Initiative. Bring it on! We’ll take on board some non-Slavic speakers from Hungary, the Baltics, Romania, and Albania.
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also think this is because when you're learning Russian as a non-native speaker, the courses focus mainly on Cyrillic (naturally so) so you never really learn [the romanization conventions]. There’s a number of romanization standards for Cyrillic, and which one is the most intuitive might be language-dependent ( e.g. what Russian writes as a stressed ‹и› Ukrainian writes as ‹і›, which post-1918 Russian doesn’t use;…
I'd for a long time puzzled over the mysterious \t accent in TeX. Why did DEK implement this obscure diacritical and leave out the more useful Ogonek?¹ It was only when I stumbled across it (somewhat garbled) in an online card catalog entry that I discovered that it was used in some Russian transliteration schemes to represent digraphs like t͡s for ц. ⸻ 1. I suspect the other reason was that implementing the tie was…
I see you didn’t spend a week sick in bed with no fresh reading material except for a copy of the TeXbook :) Exercises 9.4 and 9.5 from the chunk of exercises on diacritics there mention ‹Akademii͡a› for ‹Академия› (usually ‹-ija› or ‹-iya›) and ‹I͡urʼev› for ‹Юрьев› (usually ‹Ju-› or ‹Yu-›), which I remember (sans the numbers of course) exactly because I had never before seen that romanization[1] and thought it weird. But apparently the Library of Congress does use it, and if you can get hold of official English translations/selections of Soviet physics or mathematics journals from the 70s and 80s you’ll see the authors’ names spelt according to it as well.
Note that in modern times, you’re supposed to use the tie to spell affricates and such in IPA as well, like in ‹t͡ʃ› and ‹d͡ʒ› and, yes, ‹t͡s›, even though nobody does as far as I’ve seen.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALA-LC_romanization_for_Russia...
Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language
#210If one to spend time learning a new language for international communication the choice of the language must maximize the number of people you can comminicate with. Unless you want to talk only to other slavs, I would say English, Spanish and French would be my first choices, which are admittedly little Europe and Americas-centric.