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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by rimliu »

petargyurov wrote: post #44

As a Bulgarian speaker I was surprised that I could understand the entirety of this (though I assumed "лудис" means "people"; something I learned from listening to the Ukranian president's speech a few days ago) > Новйу межународйу йазика! Што ес Словио? Словио ес новйу межународйу йазика ктор разумийут чтирсто милион лудис на целойу земла. Словио можете употребит дла гворение со чтирсто милион славйу Лудис от Прага…

As someone fluent in Russian and able to read Polish I had zero problems with it too.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by drno123 »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #57
ivoras wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.

Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.

We had Yugoslavia, for southern Slavic people. Didn’t work out.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by egeozcan »

I wish something like this existed in Turkic languages. There's a billion of them with very small communities, so it would be nice to see some of their properties preserved in a unifying language. Not to mention there's also a lot of documented, but dead ones, mostly because of communities integrating and taking on a Slavic language (mostly Russian and Bulgarian, name of which probably comes from the nomadic Turkish tribe Bulgars).

Many Turkic-language-speaking communities are getting influenced by Turkish or Russian, and given that Turkish being heavily influenced by French, Persian and Arabic in the history, it feels like the languages are losing their essence.

I know the whole deal with spoken language development as they borrow, grow, die and stuff but just like sometimes people want to code in a much simpler programming language / framework, I also have the dream of inventing a toy-but-maybe-even-useful Turkic spoken language.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by hurflmurfl »

zone411 wrote: post #4

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

As a speaker of Russian and Bulgarian, Interslavic seems to be easier to read. Slovio gets me to ponder on some words a bit more.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

petargyurov wrote: post #56
moonchrome wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

jazika ~ jezika ~ language (literal translation tongue), but the italic part I can't decipher.

> Slovio es idealju jazika dla dnesju ludis. I think this means "Slovio is the ideal language for/of everyday/today's people" "ludis" is 100% "people". Not sure what "dla" and "dnesju" mean. In Bulgarian, "dnes" (днес) means "today" so that's where I'm coming from.

"dla" seems similar to Russian "для". I guess there will always be compromises and some words may not make sense to speakers of some Slavic languages.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by stared »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #57
ivoras wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.

Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.

There is such an idea of a greater connection between Slavic nations called Pan-Slavism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism).

When it comes to "one country" - the USSR aimed at that, and from the perspective of hundreds of millions of people, it wasn't the best idea.

Plus, I think that ethnic states are one of the worst inventions of the 19th century, which accelerated a lot after WWI & WWII. I prefer cities where e.g. 1/3 were Polish, 1/3 German, and 1/3 Jewish (as for my pre-war hometown) rather than monoliths. Even in the middle ages, cities had multiple languages and cultures (e.g. German-speaking for trading cities in Slavic and Baltic countries). Right now, even in many multicultural cities, it is often implicitly assumed that there is the "default language" and an ethnic/national/cultural majority.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by hurflmurfl »

Tenoke wrote: post #36
mkotowski wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also w for szcz makes no sense. Propbably an attempt to use a letter similar to graphically. > Why "x" instead of "z" in cz/sz/rz etc. sounds? I think it is something picked up from Esperanto. Traditional way to replace Esperanto-specific letters, when not supported, was to change it to a letter followed by an “h”, but there is also a more widely used method using “x” instead.

Щ is already a pretty pointless letter. If you are simplifying anything then just using шт is one of the lowest hanging fruits. Ditto for я and ю.

Щ is indeed read as "sht" in Bulgarian, but in Russian it would be read as a softer "sh" or mix between "sh" and "ch". If anything, maybe it can just be dropped in favour of plain "sh"?

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ajuc »

stared wrote: post #66
wheelerof4te wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interslavic seems just as understandable to me. Sometimes I wish all slavic people had one country, one language. Let's call it Slavia.

There is such an idea of a greater connection between Slavic nations called Pan-Slavism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Slavism ). When it comes to "one country" - the USSR aimed at that, and from the perspective of hundreds of millions of people, it wasn't the best idea. Plus, I think that ethnic states are one of the worst inventions of the 19th century, which accelerated a lot after WWI & WWII. I prefer cities…

The problem with panslavism is that Russians would have majority, and Russian states were almost always authoritharian and oppressive.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ivanche »

zone411 wrote: post #4

Interslavic is another similar project. They don't like Slovio too much: http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/faq.html#slovio

As a Serbian, Interslavic seems much easier to read and understand than Slovio.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by lpapez »

arc-in-space wrote: post #35

Slovio is wacky but the other one linked here, Interslavic, is pretty good. It's easy to understand from my north slav perspective and others here seem to be reporting the same. I thought the differences between languages were too great for a language this effective to be constructed, I certainly can't understand Croatian or Russian, for one. So I'm impressed, and I like the idea.

Agreed. As a South Slavic native speaker I could understand Interslavic about 80% directly, and 20% from context, but what's more surprising to me is to see that speakers of North, East and West Slavic languages in the comments are reporting similar numbers!
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