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EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by raxxorrax »

tialaramex wrote: post #18
pimterry wrote: post #2

The meat is page 5 under "The changes the proposal would bring". Highlights: * Job-seekers would have a right to information about the pay range of posts they apply for * Employers would be prohibited from asking about an applicant's pay history * Employees would have a right to ask their employer for sex-disaggregated information on the average pay of other workers doing the same work or work of equal value. * Emplo…

> Employers would be prohibited from asking about an applicant's pay history Aw, that was one of the fun moments when getting my current job. I moved from private sector to public sector and they're like "You understand that the previous pay you listed is more than our boss's boss, the director of our entire org unit gets paid right?". Yes, yes I do. Which is why when you asked at interview "Why do you want this role…

I don't like to share how much money I make and I fail to see the public interest in this information. I would also expect this to have a negative effect on wages overall for different reasons.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by raxxorrax »

skywal_l wrote: post #289
baybal2 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There used to be another country which made resumes into a legal document: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AA...

The fact that someone can ask you for your salary before renting you an apartment is not equivalent to what you point to. I would prefer this system to the Equifax's panopticon to be honest. The best system would be to have a third party insure your rent. So you would only communicate these kind of information to the third party of your choice with which you would have a legal contract including a privacy clause.

That would make renting even more expensive and it is almost always a bad deal for anyone under a certain income.

You have to legislate that away or legislate heavy property tax for real estate that is not used for personal living. Which might be sensible and necessary anyway if you look at price developments.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by tpm »

Hamuko wrote: post #83
tpm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Individual personal salary is private information protected by law (at least in our country). Starting salary range in job offers is public, that's not enugh information.

Salaries might be private here, but taxes sure aren't. A recruiter could feasibly walk into the local tax office and ask to see my taxable income for 2020.

Interesting. Taxes and incomes are private in Slovakia for private persons whether they are employed or self-employed or whatever (unless they are a judge or a politician). They are only public for companies.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by raxxorrax »

ksec wrote: post #146
pimterry wrote: post #2

The meat is page 5 under "The changes the proposal would bring". Highlights: * Job-seekers would have a right to information about the pay range of posts they apply for * Employers would be prohibited from asking about an applicant's pay history * Employees would have a right to ask their employer for sex-disaggregated information on the average pay of other workers doing the same work or work of equal value. * Emplo…

>* Employers would be prohibited from asking about an applicant's pay history Would they be able to contact previous employer for this information. One of the thing I really hate is the amount of leverage your previous employer has over you.

That is the only good bullet point in my opinion. Otherwise I don't see the positives. It would probably lead to pay depression in any case.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by tialaramex »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #281
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #245

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>I read somewhere pay transparency just lowers the amount of pay for disagreeable people who try to earn more. It makes things cheaper for businesses in general because it's harder to get a rise. Then wouldn't you see businesses fighting for it instead of against it?

How do you know whether businesses are in favour or fighting it? Or what if they appear to be fighting it while they're secretly lobbying for it with their EU contacts? A trend I noticed from all the EU regulation concerning business: you can be certain it will look like it's doing good for people and bad for business but it will just end up screwing common people and small businesses in favour of big businesses. Thi…

GDPR, like its predecessors for many years, has a substantial compliance requirement which of course costs businesses money. It also however creates a level playing field, most well-run honest businesses would want to comply with these rules (e.g. customer phones up, you have their address wrong, you fix it) but GDPR makes it an obligation for the shady outfit they're competing with too.

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by throw0101a »

mrmuagi wrote: post #369
throw0101a wrote: post #11

Ontario, Canada had this but it was repealed. :( * https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-job... Federally regulated industries in Canada have to do it: * https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/news/...

Doesn't seem like it was repealed from the first link, just not yet applied due to pushing it out into the future? Although the personal emergency leave days and minimum wage freezes do not inspire confidence.

A technical manoeuvre: passed by the legislature but did not received royal ascent from the lieutenant governor (or something akin to that effect).

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by mahathu »

drstewart wrote: post #378
mahathu wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious you left out Berlin in that list! I would certainly choose 30 days of paid time off, parental leave, good healthcare etc over having to live in the US.

And I would (and have) certainly chosen to retire 10 years earlier over a few extra days of vacation. 365 days of vacation beats 30. But hey, if you enjoy that €30,000 salary, more power to you. You can certainly eke out an existence, while you share that bathroom with your flatmates.

This comment is reddit levels of stupid and mean. Is there a reason you're such an ignorant cunt? Keep malding:)

Re: EU to mandate public salary information for all job postings [pdf]

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Post by bloqs »

gruez wrote: post #81
Levitz wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we are at it, the cost of a product should depend on its objective value, not what the market pays. My point being that sure, ideally it wouldn't be like that, but any implementation I can possibly think of is not viable at all. Jobs are fairly unique things.

> While we are at it, the cost of a product should depend on its objective value, not what the market pays. "What the market pays" is the objective value.

Are people with bad information objectively correct? (Everyone overpays illogically for product because of deliberate misinformation, or whatever)
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