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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure many people would agree with your diagnosis. What's the treatment, though?
Ban crypto mining. Outlaw exchanging cryptocurrencies (directly) to USD (and other fiat currencies, but USD is the big one for now).
I don't think banning fiat conversion would stop this.
There are bonds and stable currency issued peg to the defi or crypto world.
It would reduce the value but it's unstoppable.
See fei: https://fei.money/
Proof of work or hardware intensive proofs are only used in a few crypto currency so this is a very blunt response in regards to banning exchange.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or tried to install tensorflow ayoo
Eh it’s not too bad on Linux as long as you use the official docker image that has cuda, cudnn, and tensorflow with matching versions. This also lets you use tf1, tf2, and PyTorch in separate containers without upgrading cudnn in lockstep. Larger projects that use several models inevitably require all three. If you install it yourself, you’re in for a world of hurt.
I don't understand how anyone can be okay with:
"Here, run this piece of code. No don't bother trying to read, build or understand it yourself, we know you won't be able to do it, so we put it in a little mystery box over here that you can run on top of your existing operating system. Now please don't ask any questions and go away."
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ban crypto mining. Outlaw exchanging cryptocurrencies (directly) to USD (and other fiat currencies, but USD is the big one for now).
I don't think banning fiat conversion would stop this. There are bonds and stable currency issued peg to the defi or crypto world. It would reduce the value but it's unstoppable. See fei: https://fei.money/ Proof of work or hardware intensive proofs are only used in a few crypto currency so this is a very blunt response in regards to banning exchange.
Have you seen what happened in the finance world with respect to Russia recently? Feels to me like it is perfectly possible with the right Zeitgeist. Pretty much all the on/off ramps for Russian money are gone at the moment.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#375> We decided to help mining and gaming community," Lapsus$ members wrote Oh please. You have crypto and a vested interest in making GPU’s viable again. Sorry but I have zero sympathy-crypto miners exacerbated the silicon shortage and leveraged their increased capital to make consumer cards so inordinately difficult to get. So no, suffer.
This. Tried to get back to PC gaming for a while. I play on PS5 and XSX but damn, with the price of a performant GPU I can buy 3/4 PS5s or 1 PS5 and a lot of games for it.
You’re definitely right about the price, but I bought a PC anyways for the freedom it gives.
You can emulate older games, get games for 1/4th of the price on second hand market and choose your store.
Paying 60$ for 5 year old games on my switch changed my view on console gaming.
Even if there’s a lot of room for games in the price difference between console and PC, I’d rather pay the higher fixed cost up front and then have cheaper and more games.
Maybe it’s just an ideological thing though and doesn’t make complete economical sense.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#376A bit off-topic, but the fact that criminals asked for help mining, instead of money or crypto-money, just gave me an epiphany: The whole internet is showing the first signs of a digital Resource Curse [1] brought by crypto mining. Crypto mining changed the economics of the digital world in such a drastic way that it is poisoning all kinds of internet interactions. It is not just about disrupting how money used to wo…
> The whole internet is showing the first signs of a digital Resource Curse [1] brought by crypto mining. Crypto mining changed the economics of the digital world in such a drastic way that it is poisoning all kinds of internet interactions. It is not just about disrupting how money used to work, it is disrupting every kind of interaction, even those that had nothing to do with money. Things that were completely economically neutral before, so people did them just for fun, can now be exploited to extract value, so naturally some people do it and the previous innocent/neutral status quo is lost. For example: most free unix shell providers, a fun tradition from nerds from the 90s, had to shut down because now there is such a big economic incentive to abuse such free service.
The whole internet is showing the first signs of a digital resource curse brought on by advertising. Advertising changed the economics of the digital world in such a drastic way that it is poisoning all kinds of internet interactions. It is disrupting every kind of interaction, even those that had nothing to do with advertising. Things that were completely economically neutral before, so people did them just for fun, can now be exploited to extract value, so naturally some people do it and the previous innocent/neutral status quo is lost. For example: most free, non-monetized content providers, a fun tradition from nerds from the 90s, don't exist now because there is such a big economic incentive to abuse such free service.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#377I'm not a big fan of limiting hardware to run only approved software. One day it's for limiting crypto mining, the next day it will be for limiting our ability to use strong encryption. It's a slippery slope.
There are plenty of examples of hardware being artificially constrained, and low hash rate GPUs are hardly the first. Slippery slope fallacy aside, why would you need a top of the line GPU to do strong encryption? That's something you can do with a pen and paper if you're motivated enough.
I just hacked my 3ds because nintendo is closing the eshop permanently. It uses GPUs to exploit something in the OS based off of known keys. The power needed to crack the code in 1-5 minutes requires powerful GPUs. Are you suggesting if NVIDIA decided to block something like this, I do it with pen and paper?
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think banning fiat conversion would stop this. There are bonds and stable currency issued peg to the defi or crypto world. It would reduce the value but it's unstoppable. See fei: https://fei.money/ Proof of work or hardware intensive proofs are only used in a few crypto currency so this is a very blunt response in regards to banning exchange.
Have you seen what happened in the finance world with respect to Russia recently? Feels to me like it is perfectly possible with the right Zeitgeist. Pretty much all the on/off ramps for Russian money are gone at the moment.
Which I acknowledge above. You can ban exchange to fiat but it will only reduce value, not completely eliminate it as there are protocols which derive value from defi ecosystem itself.
I.e people will start directly using these currency for payments (which they already do) without exchanging to fiat. The stability is maintained by the defi collateral and shared acceptance.
So you would have to ban everyone to accept crypto currency and so on as payment but that is very catastrophic decision with large implications.
It also doesn't help crypto completely eliminates centralized authorities when moving across borders.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
I honestly don’t care about nouveau. It’s a fine project, but as a user I know it as the preinstalled software that cripples my servers until I install the proprietary drivers. If nvidia releases the drivers as source-available rather than open source that would still be incredibly useful since you can distribute patches. Their drivers are still missing basic features like fan speed control on headless machines.
In my experience nouveau was way better than the proprietary drivers, which would crash a lot, while nouveau was stable. This was long ago though, maybe nvidia are better now. I don't think you can distribute patches against proprietary source-available drivers, since modifying proprietary code is against copyright law.
Did you leave power savings enabled? Cause that’s a recipe for disaster on Linux. My ML servers have years of uptime with “nvidia-smi -pm 0” in crontab and auto updates disabled. The latter prevents the CUDA version from getting ahead of the kernel module version.
It’s a polished turd, but at least it works which is more than I can say for nouveau
And yes you can distribute patches. Copyright only prevents you from distributing the modified version.
Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever
#380A bit off-topic, but the fact that criminals asked for help mining, instead of money or crypto-money, just gave me an epiphany: The whole internet is showing the first signs of a digital Resource Curse [1] brought by crypto mining. Crypto mining changed the economics of the digital world in such a drastic way that it is poisoning all kinds of internet interactions. It is not just about disrupting how money used to wo…
I agree with you overall - this does appear to be another resource curse - but I want to point out that the culprits in this matter are the companies that bottleneck the overly-abundant resources for profit (so Nvidia and Google), not the users who attempt to bleed constrained value through that bottleneck. Nvidia used their near-monopolistic power over the graphics card market in an attempt to globally limit the has…
> it seems very obviously a move to force miners to use more GPUs in parallel
This is very obviously wrong. The economics of crypto mining are almost entirely dominated by power cost. Nvidia's decision here simply means they will use other hardware, not more of the LHR hardware.
Nvidia already can't make enough GPUs to satisfy demand. Why would they try to increase undesirable demand (which is going away soon anyway, at least for ETH).