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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by wheelerof4te »

emptyfile wrote: post #126
wheelerof4te wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did not work out because the binding ideology wasn't pan-slavism, but rather bad mix of communism and socialism. Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism. Without any form of religion, people can not feel that deep bond. Especially Slavic people, who are naturaly very religious. Yugoslavia was a mistake, but not for reasons you might think.

>Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism This reads like 4chan-level trolling

I assure you, it is not.

Many Slavs feel the same.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ajuc »

tomp wrote: post #123
ajuc wrote: post #2

Why "x" instead of "z" in cz/sz/rz etc. sounds? It's not used by any Slavic languages AFAIK, some use z, some use ^ (and they used z in the past), others use cyrylic but nobody uses x for these. It's weird. Also w for szcz makes no sense. Use r for "ja" while you're at it :)

Because "sz" has another pronunciation (like "s" "z"), where "x" has no pronunciation at all.

Are there Slavic words with separately pronounced "s" and "z"? It's quite a tongue-twister.

As for "X" it exists in some Slavic alphabets, for example in Slovak (but apparently only in loan words). In Polish it theoretically doesn't, but actually does (loan words use x when the word is new, and with time it's replaced with ks).

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by kgeist »

throwaway290 wrote: post #127
kgeist wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Serbian swapped vs- > sv-, the word is not related to "svit" (it's a folk etymology). Russian vs'ak "everyone" = Serbian svak "everyone"

I cannot respond without looking into what grounds are there to believe svet in proto-slavic is not related to sve. No one speaks proto slavic, so it is all conjectures based on languages that were spoken more recently. I believe linguist academics are citizens of their countries, and their interpretations of things in the past are influenced by languages they speak.

There's an academic field called "historical linguistics" [0]. What laypeople believe about language is called "folk etymology" [1].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_linguistics

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by hurflmurfl »

Tenoke wrote: post #71
hurflmurfl wrote: post #67

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Щ is indeed read as "sht" in Bulgarian, but in Russian it would be read as a softer "sh" or mix between "sh" and "ch". If anything, maybe it can just be dropped in favour of plain "sh"?

Just use sh where it is read as sh, sht where it means sht etc.

That's an option, but the big question is about "where it means sht".

Considering we're talking about constructed languages, whether "it's supposed to read `sh`" or "it's supposed to read `sht`" is defined by the author of the language.

On top of that, even coming to a conclusion on what it's supposed to read like means extrapolating it from present-day languages or from the now-dead languages. In a lot of cases, different languages will just have different readings. I.e. consider these words:

Group 1 - BG reads sht, RU reads shch

BG щипя - RU щипаю BG щастие - RU счастье BG ущърб - RU ущерб BG щит - RU щит BG вещ - RU вещь

Group 2 - BG reads sht, RU reads sht

BG нещо - RU нечто (Russian reads as "cht" here, but close enough) BG що - RU что (Russian reads "shto", at least in modern reading)

Group 3 - loaned words mostly try to mimic original

BG щора - RU штора BG поща - RU почта BG щанга - RU штанга

Plus there's the weird separate word [BG "sht" щателен - RU "tshch" тщательный].

Barring the loaned words from mostly Germanic origin, it looks like one language just sticks to "sht", while the other prefers "shch" and considers the "t" redundant. The interesting exception is the "що - что" pair, which is seems to preserve the T sound.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by throwaway290 »

kgeist wrote: post #128
throwaway290 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

utro = morning, sutra = in the morning, zavtra = also in the morning but weirdly distorted for no obvious reason. There seems less etymological distortion in Serbian.

Zavtra <= za utra. What distortion are you talking about? That -u- became -v-?

s became za, u became v.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by posix_me_less »

medo-bear wrote: post #113
wheelerof4te wrote: post #82

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USSR was a blasphemy because of it's communist nature. It was an abomination born in blood. Slavs were never for communism.

> Slavs were never for communism i disagree to some extent. historically slavic culture tends to be much more communal than rest of europe. even in eu you can see this manifested in thr resistance to liberalism that comes from all (?) slavic countries

What does resistance to liberalism manifest about being more communal or communist? Is resistance to privatisation a "resistance to liberalism" or "communist"? I don't think so. It is nationalistic, conservative and social democratic.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by kgeist »

throwaway290 wrote: post #127
kgeist wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Serbian swapped vs- > sv-, the word is not related to "svit" (it's a folk etymology). Russian vs'ak "everyone" = Serbian svak "everyone"

I cannot respond without looking into what grounds are there to believe svet in proto-slavic is not related to sve. No one speaks proto slavic, so it is all conjectures based on languages that were spoken more recently. I believe linguist academics are citizens of their countries, and their interpretations of things in the past are influenced by languages they speak.

Proto-Slavic vьśi => Serbian svi, Russian vse.

Proto-Slavic světъ => Serbian svet/svit, Russian svet.

It's two unrelated words which just happen to start with the same two consonants in Serbo-Croatian out of all Slavic languages, after the phonetical change vs- => sv-

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by bobthechef »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #100
emteycz wrote: post #92

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We do it for the fun and food, not for some pseudo gods.

We can do it for both. Why not? Perun is a "pseudo" God, as much as Zeus was a pseudo God. And if they are pseudo gods, then Jesus Christ is a pseudo God, too. Gods exist as long as people believe in them.

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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by kgeist »

throwaway290 wrote: post #135
kgeist wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zavtra <= za utra. What distortion are you talking about? That -u- became -v-?

s became za, u became v.

S- didn't become za-. It's just a different choice of preposition in Russian.

S utra = "starting from the morning"

Za utra (utrom) = "after the morning"

Both have a right to exist, just slightly different original meanings.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by throwaway290 »

kgeist wrote: post #139
throwaway290 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s became za, u became v.

S- didn't become za-. It's just a different choice of preposition in Russian. S utra = "starting from the morning" Za utra (utrom) = "after the morning" Both have a right to exist, just slightly different original meanings.

That's your opinion, let it be different from mine
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