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Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by chayleaf »

svnpenn wrote: post #102
smackeyacky wrote: post #14

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

Meanwhile, Android Studio is free and open source: https://developer.android.com/studio

it's a pain to build so everyone uses google's prebuilt binaries - which are non-free

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by dachryn »

neurostimulant wrote: post #99
exikyut wrote: post #65

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Wow, I'm very curious as to why! Is it because they're imported, or because the asia-side emphasis is on export? This also makes me wonder what the price dropoff across models is compared to the worldwide average. Is every model "oh wow" more expensive, or is there a gradient upward trend that tapers off the closer you get toward the iPhone 13 end?

Not sure why, but iphones simply has higher resale value compared to android phones with the same MSRP here. It's already that way from long ago even before the government ban import of used phones via IMEI whitelisting (Indonesia). If I had to guess, maybe because they're seen as luxury items, not just a simple smartphone.

its just trust in the brand. A 3 year old iphone has a high probability of still being a decent phone, fast enough, receiving updates, running latest apps... Also, most of all, you can expect another 2 years out of it if you're not too critical.

A random Android phone? Could be slow after 2 years, could be without software updates, could be filled with bloatware of a network provider that isn't actually yours. Could be you buy it and you'll need a different phone 6 months later. And even within the same model, there are huge differences. E.g. Samsung galaxy phones can have different processors inside, and varying amounts of bloatware installed.

iPhones are just a safer choice. Therefore higher worth

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by Ourgon »

kaba0 wrote: post #139
Ourgon wrote: post #87

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Ability to install a free software distribution, side-load software, run a plethora of Linux apps through Termux, fix the screen if you happen to break it without the thing complaining about "non-genuine parts", build, run and distribute software for the device without needing to pay a third party for the privilege of doing so, hook the thing up to a keyboard and display to use it for real work, install a full firewa…

I would change (back) to android in a heartbeat if the hardware was actually on-pair and I knew that I don’t have to basically throw away my phone in a few years. I almost went with the new pixels as that is one of the few android phones actually having a non-locked bootloader (to not have to deal with Google’s privacy violations on my probably most used device), but the many bugs and hardware issues I heard about (p…

I'm still using the first Android device I bought in 2010, an Ainol Novo 8 Advanced tablet. I bought it back then for my wife to use while preparing for her specialist exam because of the high-res screen which made it a good fit for reading PDFs. It still works fine for that purpose, it still plays movies just fine. Someone is still releasing "new" software releases for the thing (where "new" means "new rehashed Android 'Gingerbread', but still). After that I bought a Motorola Defy phone which is still in use as well. Then my whole family jumped on that train when they got similar phones, all of which are in use in some way or another. Even my daughter's phone which she left in her pockets when she put her clothes in the washing machine and was washed a full cycle still works - I had to replace the ear piece (cost: $0.50 so I bought 10) but for the rest it kept up. Since the Defy (released in 2010) never went beyond Android 'KitKat' (4.4) I had to get a newer device in 2019 when the Swedish electronic ID provider "BankID" ceased support for that release. Had they not I would still be using a Defy as "daily" phone since the things keep up remarkably well. Now I'm using a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5, again running a custom ('Google-free') distribution like I've always done. I do not know for how long I'll keep on using this device but I see no reason to change as of yet.

A shorter version of this would be "the short life span of Android devices is highly exaggerated". As a bonus you get a mostly surveillance-free device, apart from the overt surveillance which comes with having a radio beacon in your pockets that is. Put the thing in flight mode and you're fine. In this respect Android devices running custom Google-free firmware (an important caveat) are the Linux PCs compared to the bolted-shut "No serviceable parts inside" Apple Mac and the increasingly invasive Windows world. Even the discussion around them is similar:

- Linux is not ready for the desktop... but I've been using it since 1993 on the desktop, from 1996 on exclusively.

- Linux does not support your hardware... while the opposite is true except for the newest hardware which can take a few weeks to months before support arrives.

- Macs just work... until they just don't work and the vendor tells you it's your fault, or the new release suddenly removes support for half of your software.

- Linux is not suitable for gaming... tell all those people running their games on Linux because they run faster/better than on Windows

- Linux users have to spend more time tinkering to get their machines to work... until it becomes clear that the tinkerers tinker because they see it as a pastime while others just install a distribution (in a few minutes) and use the thing as a tool.

- etcetera.

Even shorter because that wasn't very short either: Android devices can be used for a long time. So can Apple devices. Take your pick based on your wants and needs, ignoring the falsities being spread by the true believers.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by mattl »

heavyset_go wrote: post #134
mattl wrote: post #95

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I’ve yet to see anyone distributing music only in Ogg Vorbis save for some backdoored Spotify thing.

Bandcamp does this for all of their paid and free downloads. They also do FLAC.

Bandcamp doesn’t do it exclusively and I wonder if they’ll keep supporting it.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by nobleach »

jychang wrote: post #48
chrismorgan wrote: post #39

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The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

You can buy a used SE (2020) for only about $150 and that'll probably be supported for another 4 years. I've spent more than that from shopping at Costco on an empty stomach (rookie mistake).

Please tell me where! I'm seeing 250 on backmarket.com.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by ge96 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #42
ge96 wrote: post #27

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Is it "buy into" if you use stuff like Browserstack? I use their live devices (camera/audio feed specifically) although not sure how far you can go eg. app-level install. Looks like you can and use stuff like Appium.

At $49/month, it’s a fairly significant expense. Good if you’re using it for other stuff already, but not exactly cheap otherwise. (There’s also $39/month annually, but $468 is well past the cost of second-hand hardware.)

Yeah I was thinking about that, for example if you had one device but you wanted to back test versions of software is it easy to do that?

What I mean is like iOS/Safari 14 over 15

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by withinboredom »

amarshall wrote: post #123
smackeyacky wrote: post #14

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The project makes it not super-obvious, but it’s just KVM underneath. Also it’s likely against the EULA to run on non-Apple hardware.

If the software can’t tell the difference, does it matter? And if the EULA is unenforceable in your jurisdiction, does it matter?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by heavyset_go »

mattl wrote: post #144
heavyset_go wrote: post #134

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Bandcamp does this for all of their paid and free downloads. They also do FLAC.

Bandcamp doesn’t do it exclusively and I wonder if they’ll keep supporting it.

I don't see why they wouldn't, it's one of their selling points and they offer about a half dozen different codecs and containers.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by mattl »

heavyset_go wrote: post #148
mattl wrote: post #144

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Bandcamp doesn’t do it exclusively and I wonder if they’ll keep supporting it.

I don't see why they wouldn't, it's one of their selling points and they offer about a half dozen different codecs and containers.

Hope so.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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Post by lostgame »

0x0 wrote: post #137
lostgame wrote: post #24

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Curious, would this not apply to Macs and iPads as well? Can you access iMessage just through the Messages app on Mac?

I think for that case you need a valid mac serial number, too. I think virtualized macOS does not support iMessage either (although googling seems to suggest that you might be able to get it working by copying a valid mac serial number from another device or something. Basically, if you haven't bought a real apple device, you probably won't be able to use iMessage. "Borrowing" your friend's serial number is probably…

Would any old MacBook, functional or not, work?
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