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Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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With this, would it finally be possible to test iOS apps without having to first buy into the Apple ecosystem? Seems super helpful for developers, security testing, etc.

Honestly why bother? For app dev Macs are basically free. Takes no time to break-even. Can even incorporate and expense-it.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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post #27
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With this, would it finally be possible to test iOS apps without having to first buy into the Apple ecosystem? Seems super helpful for developers, security testing, etc.

Is it "buy into" if you use stuff like Browserstack? I use their live devices (camera/audio feed specifically) although not sure how far you can go eg. app-level install. Looks like you can and use stuff like Appium.

At $49/month, it’s a fairly significant expense. Good if you’re using it for other stuff already, but not exactly cheap otherwise. (There’s also $39/month annually, but $468 is well past the cost of second-hand hardware.)

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

An iPhone SE 1st Generation can be had for around $70.

What phones are you buying?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $100 a year to do so)? Genuinely curious cause I see a lot of people with this sentiment, is it for work related purposes or something? Or testing of web work potentially?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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post #23
post #3

With this, would it finally be possible to test iOS apps without having to first buy into the Apple ecosystem? Seems super helpful for developers, security testing, etc.

Wouldn't you need an Apple ID at some point? And doesn't it phone home and report you?

Two factor is a challenge with development (for IAP sandbox) accounts. I have to be careful to constantly not turn on two factor for test accounts. The iPhone will keep prompting me to opt-in, but I don't have several spare phone numbers or '2nd Apple' trusted devices for 2FA.

Apple's 2FA details: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/manage-factor-authent...

While I support 2FA usage, I wish there was a way to say 'I understand the risks and do not want 2FA on this account'.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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post #3

With this, would it finally be possible to test iOS apps without having to first buy into the Apple ecosystem? Seems super helpful for developers, security testing, etc.

I'm really not trying to be rude, but if you're a serious developer, 'security person' or otherwise, the cost of entry for apple is not a problem. I know I'll get abused probably for saying it, but I mean come on. An apple device is what, one days worth of consultancy time? For a security researcher maybe an hour? It's the cost of business. If you're priced out of getting into that particular game (I was too, once) t…

10k a year? Where would one libe earning 10k a year? A tent in the woods?

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

You can buy a used SE (2020) for only about $150 and that'll probably be supported for another 4 years.

I've spent more than that from shopping at Costco on an empty stomach (rookie mistake).

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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You can semi not buy into the apple ecosystem at the moment. Purchase a 2nd hand iphone and then run this Docker based OSX system: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX It's fine for personal projects using something like usbfluxd to talk to your iphone from the docker container. I wouldn't rely on it to do commercial work.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

I am struggling to understand where you are coming from. Can you elaborate?

The cheapest second-hand iPhone that runs the latest iOS 15.0+ is an iPhone SE 1st gen (2016). Current prices on eBay indicate a price of $70.

There is not a single Android that has been supported for this long of a time.

Re: iPhone 11 Emulated on QEMU

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cheapest second hand iPhones that run the current version of iOS (but are right at the tail of any support) are on the high side of the price range of what I’ve ever spent on a new, primary phone that I expect to last me at least several years. (And although it’s not as common as the alternative, I’m hardly alone in not spending much on phones; now laptops, on the other hand—.) I don’t want to spend more on a dev…

I am struggling to understand where you are coming from. Can you elaborate? The cheapest second-hand iPhone that runs the latest iOS 15.0+ is an iPhone SE 1st gen (2016). Current prices on eBay indicate a price of $70. There is not a single Android that has been supported for this long of a time.

You can run iOS 15 on an iPhone SE (2016). They're very cheap to pick up. Around $70.
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