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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist.

Nintendo's hardware business would cease to exist, and the world would have a little less e-waste in it. How would that be a bad thing?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

But that's not what happens. It never happens. No company has ever gone under as a result of everyone moving to piracy. Even during the heights of music piracy (emule, grooveshark, limewire, napster), this industry posted record profits every year. People pirate because they otherwise can't access it, or your product isn't worth the money to them.

That's a very nice strawman you're putting in the middle of that field. I can do the same too. What if everyone in the video game industry opened its games to mods and gave out tools? An unbelievable breadth of quality content and a new generation of excellent designers. What if everyone stopped buying video games because we now all own rubles? What if we all became blue?

Is piracy selfish? Yeah. I'll be the first one to admit it. I pirate it because I don't want to pay for it, or I can't. Is piracy wrong? No. Data wants to be free, and we collectively thrive when ideas, plays, music, creations of the mind flows freely. And if it causes a company to make a tiny bit less on the billions it makes, I won't be crying for them.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I love the Switch and I'm a big fan of many Nintendo franchises but Nintendo has a habit of screwing over honest customers, especially early adopters, and their retro efforts are a good example of that: People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious…

> People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious input lag. Instead of fixing it for those customers who already paid (sometimes twice) for those games, Nintendo released the NES Classic which had a much better emulator… but only if you paid again.…

> Yes, paying for the emulator on a per-game basis is weird, but any other model would be prohibitively difficult for consumers to understand.

Nonsense, it's just an excuse to nickle-and-dime customers. Compare this to the effort Microsoft has gone through to make old Xbox games work on modern consoles, or how all digital PSP games just worked on your PS Vita.

The Wii U upgrade wasn't even that big of a deal compared to the Switch now. They've brought NES, SNES and N64 emulators to the Switch but none of those games you already paid for (twice) carry over.

It's not just about having to pay a bit, it's about what it means to digitally purchase anything from Nintendo.

> The Switch version doesn't have enough new content for me to justify paying another $60, but for anyone who never owned a Wii U, it's a great deal and I'm happy for them.

This was my point though - if you already paid that $60 and got that great game, there's no way to play the new content without playing it again.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

the idea that emulation on a 600 dollar portable computer for sweaty linux tinkerers is an existential threat to nintendo's 300 dollar handheld for children and adult children is laughable.

I agree with you, but I really dislike that you call adult switch owners adult children. Are only children supposed to be able to play games on a Nintendo console?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Nintendo's hardware business would cease to exist, and the world would have a little less e-waste in it. How would that be a bad thing?

Nintendo's hardware division is undoubtedly having a positive impact on the industry at large. I would argue that the Steam Deck would not exist without the Switch. There have been other mobile consoles in the same form factor (most obviously the PSP and PS Vita), but by the mid-2010s, smartphones had cannibalized that form factor significantly (even Nintendo's 3DS line had 50% lower lifetime sales than the original DS line in the 2000s). If it weren't for the Switch innovating in this form factor, I doubt that the mobile console form factor would exist at all today (except maybe for those shells where you plop your phone into to get a D-pad for your mobile game).

If we want to cut down on e-waste, we should rather lengthen the smartphone replacement cycle. That's a better impact just because of sheer numbers. Lobby for replaceable-battery mandates in smartphones and a minimum duration for security updates of 5 years or even 10 years.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

the idea that emulation on a 600 dollar portable computer for sweaty linux tinkerers is an existential threat to nintendo's 300 dollar handheld for children and adult children is laughable.

You can say the same thing without insulting every involved person.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Botw is quite easy to emulate these days. Even iGPUs like the one in my 5900H laptop can run it at 30+ fps at 1080p resolution.

My weekend plans have changed.

Make sure you also install all the DLC and Second Wind, the fan expansion pack.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Nintendo's hardware business would cease to exist, and the world would have a little less e-waste in it. How would that be a bad thing?

If nobody bought Switches and nobody bought Switch games because they just grabbed a ROM off the net wouldn't their software business also die?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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> In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Nintendo's hardware business would cease to exist, and the world would have a little less e-waste in it. How would that be a bad thing?

If nobody bought Switches and nobody bought Switch games because they just grabbed a ROM off the net wouldn't their software business also die?

Nothing's preventing Nintendo from releasing their games on PC, aside from their own stubborn refusal to do so.

They don't even need to stop releasing their own accessories when they have a legitimate reason to do so. The Wiimote could have just been a Bluetooth gamepad and a LED strip. In fact, that's exactly what it was!

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