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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by franga2000 »

azinman2 wrote: post #171
franga2000 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing LHR doesn't help Linux gamers at all. What would help is if they leaked the source code so people could patch nvidia's shitty drivers.

Except no one professional would touch the leaked source with a 10 ft poll. Expect continued clean room reverse engineering or get sued.

Of course, a cleanroom procedure is a given in this case. History has shown that it is entirely possible though - see ReactOS for one very public example.

But also, not everyone cares. See game modders who routinely use source code leaks to make game patches. I'm not talking about big companies that want nvidia would want to sue, but individuals and small groups, who are not a big enough target and would likely remain anonymous anyways.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by sage92 »

franga2000 wrote: post #163
3836293648 wrote: post #128

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Eh, it absolutely helps the Linux gaming community. Not so much the Windows one though

Removing LHR doesn't help Linux gamers at all. What would help is if they leaked the source code so people could patch nvidia's shitty drivers.

They modified the demand.

On Tuesday, Lapsus$ modified its demand. Now, the group also wants Nvidia to commit to making its GPU drivers completely open source. If Nvidia does not comply, Lapsus$ says, the company can expect to see a new leak that would include the complete silicon, graphics, and computer chipset files for all its recent GPUs:

So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either:

–Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret

OR

–Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too!

YOU HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY, YOU DECIDE!

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by [deleted] »

nojs wrote: post #8

> Nvidia introduced LHR in February 2021 with the launch of its GeForce RTX 3060 models. Three months later, the company brought LHR to its GeForce RTX 3080, 3070, and 3060 Ti graphics cards. The reason: to make the cards less desirable to people mining Ethereum and possibly other types of cryptocurrencies. What a bizarre move. Why would they do this?

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by paxys »

nojs wrote: post #8

> Nvidia introduced LHR in February 2021 with the launch of its GeForce RTX 3060 models. Three months later, the company brought LHR to its GeForce RTX 3080, 3070, and 3060 Ti graphics cards. The reason: to make the cards less desirable to people mining Ethereum and possibly other types of cryptocurrencies. What a bizarre move. Why would they do this?

Nvidia's 30 series GPU launch has been a mess. It has been over a year now and gamers still can't get their hands on the cards. Since they can't seem to make nearly enough of them, they have tried to stabilize demand by cutting miners out of the market.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by pabs3 »

azinman2 wrote: post #171
franga2000 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing LHR doesn't help Linux gamers at all. What would help is if they leaked the source code so people could patch nvidia's shitty drivers.

Except no one professional would touch the leaked source with a 10 ft poll. Expect continued clean room reverse engineering or get sued.

Developers of the open source nouveau driver for nvidia GPUs certainly won't:

https://nitter.eu/_Lyude/status/1498811646697000961

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by avianes »

randomsilence wrote: post #90
bobsmooth wrote: post #19

Imagine if they actually leaked the driver source and verilog files though...

It's the 'secret Coca Cola recipe' leaked to Pepsi situation: The source code is still protected by copy rights and patents. AMD cannot just take it.

AMD cannot just take or copy it. But they can indirectly take advantage of techniques that will be leaked.

For example, we know that NVIDIA's SM are split into slice which allows to easily adjust the size of a SM without rewriting the whole code, but we don't know many details about it and in particular we don't know how exactly the interconnect between register banks and operands collectors is built within a slice and between slices.

This does not seem to be patented, and this is only one very specific example

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by sjmm1989 »

Tetilio wrote: post #179
modeless wrote: post #18

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No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Is t there a ton of IP and patents which can't be made open source? There should not be much of an issue for Nvidia to open source it otherwise. Open source doesn't mean free anyway

It's not about making it 'free' in the sense of money. The term free often infers money, but in this regards its more about the philosophy of freedom itself, not cost of product.

We as consumers should not be held back from using hardware the way that we intend to use it. Nvidia does not have any right to hinder us from using what we purchased how we see fit. (Provided that we are not infringing upon copyrights and/or I.P.)

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Post by cbozeman »

ehnto wrote: post #83
hungryforcodes wrote: post #21

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Nvida should be able to meet market demand. You just don't like crypto maybe. If Tesla was out of Models 3s you would blame...? Or correctly assess that Tesla should ramp up production.

There are limits to manufacturing capacity, especially such advanced manufacturing. I feel like if Nvidia could, they would have scaled up. Why wouldn't they want to meet demand?

Uh, because you can inflate MSRP into the stratosphere and blame it on crypto miners?

Cryptocurrencies give NVIDIA the perfect bullshit excuse that people won't ponder too hard over, because the story of modern media is simplistic... every story must have a "good guy" and a "bad guy". It has to be dumbed down for all the idiotic plebs like us.

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