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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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It would be much easier if crypto could just die out.

It won't, and it's a very important technology since it's the only way for humans to store digital property without relying on some government or corporation. Also, it ever gets attacked, much more will be at stake, including your freedom for choosing what software can be run on your computer.

> It won't, and it's a very important technology since it's the only way for humans to store digital property without relying on some government or corporation.

Proof of work is the thing people have a problem with. There's lots of cryptographic techniques that you can use without proof of work.

And the only thing the likes of bitcoin need proof-of-work for is to avoid double-spending attacks.

Not quite sure what you mean by digital property. I can store valuable files just fine without proof-of-work. And we can copy them and give them to everyone in the world, too, at almost no cost.

Cryptocurrencies (and similar) allow you to keep a digital ledger. But the meaning of that ledger is still something we construct socially.

As a silly example: people agree to treat bitcoins as fungible. But they are perfectly traceable, so people could also agree to reject some specific bitcoin (and any descendent bitcoin that can be traced back to the banned ones; so if you mix them in a transaction, you just spread the taint).

For a slightly more real world example: I can imagine if Satoshi rose from the grave and held an auction to sell off the first bitcoin ever mined, he would get more than whatever bitcoin is currently trading for.

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I would rather outlaw cryptocurrencies for being a harm for the planet with their crazy energy demands, besides also fueling criminals.

Cryptocurrencies are pretty green besides bitcoin and ethereum

The relevant metric is probably something like electricity spend (or ton of CO2 emitted) per dollar of economic value created.

Bitcoin and ethereum burn a lot of electricity, but they are also worth a lot.

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> I don't understand how this demand helps the gaming community. It doesn't. This is just miners co-opting an old argument to gain sympathy.

Eh, it absolutely helps the Linux gaming community. Not so much the Windows one though

Removing LHR doesn't help Linux gamers at all. What would help is if they leaked the source code so people could patch nvidia's shitty drivers.

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I'd like to engage with this opinion because I genuinely have no idea how this is the conclusion people reach (that crypto is bad for the environment). The configuration of transistors through which electrons are punched is obviously not the problem (at least I hope it's obvious). So it must be about proof of work chains, right? That they create high demand? That's about the only point I do understand, but I think yo…

Cryptocurrencies have shown that you can transform energy into money without any of that messy middle step of doing something useful.

They prevent double spending attacks.

That service is useful for some people.

You can of course disagree. Just like you can disagree that building and fueling yachts for rich people is useful.

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What long list of reasons? LHR has absolutely zero impact on games. If anything, its presence was helping gamers because miners were at least somewhat put off buying LHR GPUs, making them more available to gamers.

"You don't own your hardware" is a very long list in my book.

Ever heard of Code 43? Or the dozens of other software locks nvidia uses to be able to sell you essentially the same silicon at 4 wildly different price points? You never owned it and you won't now.

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So is liking/hyping a new technology for the sake of it (or for the sake of getting rich).

Sure, but one side can be substantiated. The Satoshi protocol is not about money. It is a distributed, trust-less consensus algorithm. Finance was just a good candidate to start with. But we can expand that much further. Some strange examples I hear about how this is silly: "You can't have a smart contract act as an employer because it doesn't exist" But neither do companies? They're an abstraction that we agree exis…

Crypto-currencies and smart contracts change some aspects, but they don't remove trust completely. And people don't want it to remove trust completely.

Remember when ethereum forked, because a smart contract many people cared about actually specified something different in its code than what the humans intended it to mean? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DAO_(organization)

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> There is no better metric of human progress than energy usage. True, but when energy is used to manufacture products or services. When you turn energy into money there's no progress involved and no new jobs are created. The only linked activities which would benefit would be energy creation and the manufacture of mining hardware. Everything else will suffer when more and more money will be diverted to buy more ener…

Countries are get kicked out of the global banking system, and WESTERN countries start confiscating bank accounts. Inflation at levels not seen in 30 years. And that’s just last month. Bitcoin is a product. It autonomously provides a Service. Sound money. Hard money. Censorship resistance and decentralized peer to peer money. It’s ok if you still are skeptical, but don’t wait too long!

> Inflation at levels not seen in 30 years.

Depends on what country you look at.

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Isn't that essentially the same as what everyone does with CPUs?

GPUs ship with far more workarounds in the drivers because the programmer only has access to the hardware via drivers that can cover up the bugs, and because they’re not constrained by binary compatibility.

Yes. I think for the CPU they mostly stick those work-arounds into microcode?

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And, with the current crisis in mind, Russia. They'll be looking to expanding their local semiconductor production from now on.

Having chip designs without a state of the art fab won't help them any more than having software without a computer would. For China and Russia to replace TSMC they'd need TSMC's (and ASML's) secrets, as well as nVidia's.

That's if we're assuming they want to directly reproduce existing hardware - I imagine they'd actually leverage it as something their engineers can learn from for future advancement

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Oh, tell me about it. +Installs Linux, this time determined to make it daily driver. Why is this so slow though? - You need to install Nvidia drivers + Oh, OK makes sense. -- INSTALLS NVIDIA DRIVERS -- -- LINUX NO LONGER BOOTS, OBSCURE ERROR MESSAGE, FURIOUSLY GOOGLING ON A TINY PHONE SCREEN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE -- Later made myself a Hackintosh, eventually bought an actual Mac. The Hackintosh stuff was much,…

Interesting. I’ve not used Linux as my mainly driver for years. I miss it and I want to come back but I basically don’t have any decent PC anymore so I have the freedom to get/build one. When I used it, ironically, NVidia was the way to go on Linux and ATI/AMD was a shit show. Is AMD ok nowadays ? My needs are mostly confortable casual gaming where I don’t care having more than 60fps and I don’t play online (so this…

I've had a few Nvidia cards (from 9xx to 20xx) and one (very modern) AMD.

The AMD drivers runs fine. They're functionally inferior to the Nvidia ones (in several aspects), but I had no big problems. I don't play on Linux, though.

I think open source makes a significant the difference - with Nvidia, issues often can't be solved by software devs (e.g. Libreoffice Calc running updating the screen very slowly). I suppose that with open source drivers, devs can at least get an idea of what's going on.

However, there's one dealbreaker with Nvidia - they have such "blob of a cards", that Linux, on a default configuration (which means, ISO with Nouveau) can't run at all with many Nvidia card series. I couldn't even boot with a GT 1030 (among the others).

I actually have no idea how people can install Linux on Nvidia systems, since I had to create an adhoc iso with the binary drivers preinstalled.

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