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Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Eh, it absolutely helps the Linux gaming community. Not so much the Windows one though

Removing LHR doesn't help Linux gamers at all. What would help is if they leaked the source code so people could patch nvidia's shitty drivers.

Except no one professional would touch the leaked source with a 10 ft poll. Expect continued clean room reverse engineering or get sued.

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Chine -> banned crypto currencies EU -> plans to strongly control or outright ban crypto currencies US -> might also move against crypto currencies Idk. about India, Japan etc. but if EU and US moved they will likely follow. Just to be clear I'm speaking about crypto currencies like we think about them now, I'm sure there is a future for blockchain based currencies, potentially even spear headed by governments.

Doesn't India pretty well want to control their own money? Even more strongly than others? Not that they at same time aren't willing to provide services, just paid for in fiat...

The parent is hinting at Central Bank Digital Currencies, which would in fact give them total control of their own money ( moreso than they have over the physical variant, I believe )

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You would have to saturate the market with specific mining devices. Like with bitcoin ASIC miners, the crypto mining demands have to increase to the point where using gaming graphic cards becomes unprofitable. Otherwise miners will buy the specific mining devices and the gaming devices. The problem is that Etherum was designed to resist ASIC approaches. Instead of locking cards down, Nvidia could manage the supply. T…

> If their performance stats don't improve after the purchase, which means they have resold their hardware, they won't be allowed to buy another card. And then you have people who lose their cards, or it gets damaged, or who don't want Steam, etc. It's a big can of worms.

Not wanting Steam is the biggest issue. They could include further shops and even individual games. There also needs to be an option for people who want to do scientific computing. Having vouchers from scientific institutions would exclude everybody who is independent. The approach has to be refined a bit, but the general principle is that you can link cards to individuals.

To balance the downsides, Nvidia doesn't have to go all in on 'Steam sales', like Sony, who sells some of their PS5 to registered gamers but not all of them.

On the other hand, I don't see the problem with damaged or lost cards. Damaged cards can be treated like guarantees: send in your damaged card and buy a new one. Lost cards on their own are a problem but how do you lose your card? You have to lose your entire gaming rig which most likely means that it is stolen. So send in a copy of your police report. That way, miners will be punished for wrong legal proceedings if they make a business out of 'losing cards'.

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> What will you do when the government decides to nullify years of your life spent working? The US Government has nuclear weapons. If the US Government decided one day to start actively screwing me over... I'm fucked. There's no two ways about it. Them zeroing my bank account is going to be the least of my concerns. The argument about "if you use crypto currency you'll be safe from an evil government" holds no sway.…

Good news! Some of the megacorps nowadays have power almost equal to that of governments! /s

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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Imagine if they actually leaked the driver source and verilog files though...

It's the 'secret Coca Cola recipe' leaked to Pepsi situation: The source code is still protected by copy rights and patents. AMD cannot just take it.

Of course, but having it is better than not having it - not just for their competitors, but their users. We could find any fishy things they might be doing in there, make the public aware and pressure them to stop. With a better understanding of the driver internals, we (well, not me, but smart people) could create patches to fix common issues, enable features that were locked away...

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Oh, tell me about it. +Installs Linux, this time determined to make it daily driver. Why is this so slow though? - You need to install Nvidia drivers + Oh, OK makes sense. -- INSTALLS NVIDIA DRIVERS -- -- LINUX NO LONGER BOOTS, OBSCURE ERROR MESSAGE, FURIOUSLY GOOGLING ON A TINY PHONE SCREEN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE -- Later made myself a Hackintosh, eventually bought an actual Mac. The Hackintosh stuff was much,…

> It's sad to hear that graphics drivers are still not a solved problem on Linux.

Indeed and still nothing has changed. Last time I checked, installing a Nvidia driver crashed the whole desktop and every-time you boot you Linux distro, it gives you a black screen with X11 or Wayland pop ups.

A magnificent waste of time that was fixing things in order to do basic work. I ended up using Windows with WSL2 and waiting for the new Macbook Air. I never saw the point of dealing with anything Nvidia on Linux these days.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

I definitely support making GPUs less attractive to miners. I'd buy a card that could be remotely disabled when usage patterns matched crypto mining if it meant I could spend MSRP on a modern card.

You would allow hardware DRM in your box just to allow Nvidia to "revoke" ownership of your card when you use it "incorrectly".

Yeah I'll pass.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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> We decided to help mining and gaming community," Lapsus$ members wrote

Oh please. You have crypto and a vested interest in making GPU’s viable again.

Sorry but I have zero sympathy-crypto miners exacerbated the silicon shortage and leveraged their increased capital to make consumer cards so inordinately difficult to get. So no, suffer.

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either: Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret OR Not make the drivers open source, making us release the entire silicon chip files so that everyone not only knows your driver's secrets, but also your most closely-guarded trade secrets for graphics and computer chipsets too! Intere…

No single piece of software has wasted more of my time than Nvidia's drivers, mostly (though not exclusively) on Linux. They've rendered my OS unbootable so many times over the years. So many times I've spent whole days of my life troubleshooting, upgrading, downgrading, configuring, rebooting. Then often reinstalling the OS after their installers mess stuff up in ways that are impossible to even know until they pop…

Is t there a ton of IP and patents which can't be made open source?

There should not be much of an issue for Nvidia to open source it otherwise.

Open source doesn't mean free anyway

Re: Cybercriminals who breached Nvidia issue one of the most unusual demands ever

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>"We decided to help mining and gaming community," I don't understand how this demand helps the gaming community. Wouldn't this drive up the crypto-motivated demand for GPUs even more and hurt the gaming community?

The article is confusing. It has conflicting information (the hacker group seems to have released conflicting statements).

First, it's about LHR only.

> We want nvidia to push an update for all 30 series firmware that remove every lhr limitations otherwise we will leak hw folder. If they remove the lhr we will forget about hw folder (it's a big folder). We both know lhr impact mining and gaming

Later, it becomes about entirely open sourcing the drivers:

> So, NVIDIA, the choice is yours! Either:

> –Officially make current and all future drivers for all cards open source, while keeping the Verilog and chipset trade secrets... well, secret

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