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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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JoshTriplett wrote: post #127
forgotmyoldacc wrote: post #58

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Is it difficult to notice that you're in the minority here?

It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't. Game producers would like to claim that all such uses are fundamentally illicit. The point of my comment was to reject that claim, not to claim that the majority of users are licit. (There's a separate argument that I'd also make that all such uses should be entirely accepted, but that's an orth…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by kube-system »

gzer0 wrote: post #235
kube-system wrote: post #48

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It's also one of the most confused and irrelevant laws when it comes to people discussing how YouTube works. Something like 2% of takedowns on YouTube are through DMCA.

This is true. The vast majority of YouTube takedowns are via the Content ID system, outnumbering copyright claims 50 to 1. But that doesn't tell the entire story. The reason why YouTube has such a robust Content ID system in the first place is inherently due to DMCA. The less automated DMCA complaints YouTube receives, the less damage control and legal overhead it will be as expenditure.

Google’s legal overhead would be way worse in the absence of the DMCA, if we were playing by the rules of plain-old copyright. As they wouldn’t have the standardized process and safe harbor that DMCA provides. Reading C&Ds that come in on paper via certified mail is very labor intensive. They’d need Content ID even more in that case.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by fulafel »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #8
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

A lot of YT users don't realize it's a platform where a committee of bigcorps outside of Google editorially decide what people can see. This is also a way of keeping activists out of sight.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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candiddevmike wrote: post #7
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

There has to be an alternative reality where I can purchase Nintendo software on Steam, right? Nintendo would make so much money...

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Post by ylyn »

lmm wrote: post #216
maximus-decimus wrote: post #175

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Then at the same time, is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race? Is it immoral for me to have 3 kids because it means exponential growth, overpopulation, famine and destruction of the Earth? If we follow the logic to its end, the only moral choice is for everyone to have not 1, not 3 but exactly 2 kids. I feel like this "law" really fails to account that not everybody on…

> is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race? Yes! > Is it immoral for me to have 3 kids because it means exponential growth, overpopulation, famine and destruction of the Earth? If we follow the logic to its end, the only moral choice is for everyone to have not 1, not 3 but exactly 2 kids. Limiting to 2 would cause the extinction of the human race. Some people should have…

>> is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race?

> Yes!

This is a flawed rule then.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by kobalsky »

tenuousemphasis wrote: post #172
remram wrote: post #103

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You could always play on PC with the same emulator. If you want a handheld device to play Switch games, the Switch is lighter and cheaper (though I suppose you'll have to pay for the games).

There are orders of magnitude more games available for emulation than are playable on the Switch. Nintendo has really dropped the ball on making their back catalog available legitimately.

> Nintendo has really dropped the ball on making their back catalog available legitimately.

people are so used to companies squeezing the last cent out of everything that when this happens it seems weird. instead of considering that nintendo has a very clear strategy of what to do with their old games and where to focus their efforts they just think they are being dumb and unservicing.

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Post by ekianjo »

jmyeet wrote: post #237
ekianjo wrote: post #214

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> In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist The same argument used to say pirated music would kill music. I hope you realize how ridiculous it is.

> The same argument used to say pirated music would kill music. Yes, because it was true then too. Well, mostly true. There are big differences between music and video games. For example, the vast majority of artists can't support themselves based on the sale of recorded music. Most support themselves through performances. Additionally, there is a lot licensing of music to movies, TV and advertising. But yes if no on…

> What I find distasteful is dressing up this selfishness as somehow being moral or just.

You don't get to define what is everyone's view of morality.

Do you find it moral that copyright holders can keep charging forever for the same goods AND enjoy state protection at the same time? Piracy is what limits this behavior from becoming too extreme. Remove piracy, and you will see the most outrageous corporate behaviors in action in no time.

Checks and balances - that's the name of the game.

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Post by [deleted] »

ekianjo wrote: post #218
SkyMarshal wrote: post #212

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> I'm not aware of any company going under directly because of piracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Records#Bankruptcy

You need to read your own links > Factors cited were the heavy debt incurred during its aggressive expansion in the 1990s, growing competition from mass discounters and Internet piracy.[10] Mismanagement, managerial incompetence, and crippling restrictions from the first bankruptcy deal also contributed to Tower's demise.[11] Not just piracy to say the least.

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Post by 0xedd »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #212
mkdirp wrote: post #170

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> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" For example: "What would happen if all companies blocked individuals from doing what they want with the hardware they bought?" You get a hacking community and people imprisoned for the unlocked hardware they paid for. Not to mention a whole lot of ewaste that could otherwise work for years. No, that's not a good example. How about this one: "Wh…

> I'm not aware of any company going under directly because of piracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Records#Bankruptcy

Piracy's impact on the digital industry is propaganda. No link has ever been established by factual data. It's just corporations' PR.

The Government Accountability Office came out in 2010 with a report that said these numbers “cannot be substantiated or traced back to an underlying data source or methodology.”

http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/how-much-do-music-and-mov...

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