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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Razengan » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:57 AM UTC

maximus-decimus wrote: post #175

jpambrun wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a well established philosophical concept referred as Kant universality laws. It is a good rule to live by. Makes it obvious that cutting in line is immoral because lines could not exist if everybody did it.

Then at the same time, is it immoral for me to have no kids because it means the extinction of the human race? Is it immoral for me to have 3 kids because it means exponential growth, overpopulation, famine and destruction of the Earth? If we follow the logic to its end, the only moral choice is for everyone to have not 1, not 3 but exactly 2 kids. I feel like this "law" really fails to account that not everybody on…

Why 2? Why not just 1?

Also, leave it to HN to take some news about video game emulation to a discussion about antinatalism, haha

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jupp0r » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:01 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

Nobody is stealing anything, Nintendo still controls the same assets they had before somebody installed an emulator.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:02 AM UTC

dcchambers wrote: post #93

I am not going to blatantly support piracy of video games (Most of us work in the software industry, and most of us want to get paid for our work. Video games should be no different.), but I think it's clear that game preservation has some issues in its current state, and Nintendo is one of the worst offenders. Nintendo is a lot like Apple in this way. They see things in one way, and assume all consumers will happily…

> In my opinion, if you own a game (digitally or physically), there are absolutely zero moral qualms, and there should be zero legal issues, with playing a copy of that game on an emulator.

I agree.

However—What percentage of the people who visit a Switch rom site, and are scrolling through the list of games, think "oh, that game looks interesting, but I don't own it. I won't download that one. Maybe I'll buy an eShop code off Amazon, and then come back and download it."

I've been that person. I'd hazard a guess that people like me make up 0.1% of users, at most. And I'm being generous.

There's a problem here. Possibly one with no solution; I don't know the right thing to do. But, I certainly don't fault Nintendo for their hostility towards emulators.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by odessacubbage » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:05 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

the idea that emulation on a 600 dollar portable computer for sweaty linux tinkerers is an existential threat to nintendo's 300 dollar handheld for children and adult children is laughable.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by drdeca » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:13 AM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #180

JoshTriplett wrote: post #127

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It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't. Game producers would like to claim that all such uses are fundamentally illicit. The point of my comment was to reject that claim, not to claim that the majority of users are licit. (There's a separate argument that I'd also make that all such uses should be entirely accepted, but that's an orth…

> It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't. Sure it is. Try extending this argument to every other kind of business. Most shops, for example, don’t let you take whatever you want off the shelves and promise to mail them a check later. Even if many people would be honest, enough wouldn’t that it would make their business unsustainable (o…

You don't own the stuff on the shelves though?

I agree that games that has been commercially available sometime in the last year shouldn't be pirated (and I'm not sure at what point in time after the last time it was commercially available that it becomes permissible, and so I haven't pirated any games, unless you count an unreleased in-progress demo of a game that got discovered, and which I have a physical copy of what the game eventually became).

But my hardware is mine. I can do what I want with it.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by stuu99 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:20 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by stuu99 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:24 AM UTC

ascar wrote: post #47

hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

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Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:25 AM UTC

HideousKojima wrote: post #195

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #136

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> People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious input lag. Instead of fixing it for those customers who already paid (sometimes twice) for those games, Nintendo released the NES Classic which had a much better emulator… but only if you paid again.…

>I'm definitely not going to defend how bad the Wii U emulators were, but asking users to pay for a new emulator doesn't seem so unreasonable to me. Developing an emulator takes work. They are hard work, but fans working for free have consistently done a better job than Nintendo themselves at writing emulators in all respects: added features, performance, input latency, accuracy, and compatibility.

Many would argue that Linux is a better experience than Windows, but I don't have a problem with Microsoft charging for Windows.

I will also say that within a constrained console environment, I do think Nintendo's VC emulators are more reliable than Homebrew ones.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by polished85 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

If keeping the "how to" videos off the internet is their survival strategy, they've already lost. IMO this is not a threat to Nintendo, and those who want to emulate will figure it out no matter how many YouTube videos get taken down.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jorams » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:31 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't.

You can apply this to literally anything to make it bad.

What would happen if everyone only ever emulated pirated Switch games? Nintendo would cease to exist. What would happen if everyone just stopped buying consoles and only played games on PC? Nintendo would cease to exist, Sony and Microsoft would take a massive hit. What would happen if everyone just... stopped playing games at all, ever? The entire video game industry would die.

Does that mean I can never decide games are a waste of my time and money? Obviously not. People are different and make different decisions.