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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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The Cuban missile crisis seemed far less stupid. Like, shelling the nuclear power plant?

Stupid or really nihilistic. Maybe projecting nihilism is a strategy of its own. If I act as if there is nothing I care about except my goal you will never convince me to give up. So you have to give up to spare casualties.

i think you're right

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Greenpeace wrote a report about nuclear power plants in Ukraine two days ago.[0] The short summary is, that a npp needs to be managed after shotdown, and the most likely scenario is a loss of offsite power like happened in Fukushima. Additionally, there is quite a bit of spent fuel on the site outside of the containment.

[0] https://www.greenpeace.org/static/planet4-international-stat...

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Potentially. I'd worry more about coolant and power (to run the coolant pumps if the plant has to shut down) than about direct hits on a containment structure, but it's not like that won't eventually also cause problems if they keep doing it. This is, so far as I know, the first time anyone has carried out a military attack on an operating nuclear plant. Nobody knows yet how that really plays out. But it looks like w…

I'd classify stuxnet as a military attack.

So would I. But that was targeted at fuel production, not power generation, and also to my admittedly imperfect knowledge involved no artillery fire.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Causing a nuclear incident in a place you want to occupy is profoundly stupid.

You're making a pretty serious assumption that they're doing something haphazard rather than something calculated and planned. What's your reason for first assuming incompetence?

Does Hanlon’s Razor apply in times of war?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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A large ecological disaster from an open air uncontrolled nuclear power plant fire would be a European wide concern. The results could be considered a WMD.

> results could be considered a WMD What rubbish. This looks like Putin found a way to tactically deploy dirty nukes within the West’s red lines.

I expect if the invasion is protracted, Putin will at a minimum detonate a demonstration nuke. The downside consequences for Russia are modest at this point, and it'll be very terrifying to the people of Ukraine (and the world generally).

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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It’s not comparable because the type of damage is totally different.

The type of damage at Fukushima was anticipated to be survivable as well, was it not? And yet here we are.

Fukushima was explicitly a beyond-design-basis accident. (The design basis was insufficient, granted.)

On the other hand, I don't know whether the VVER design contemplates shelling, either.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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8:07 PM EST 3/3/22 “#Ukraine energy officials telling the media and U.S. officials that elevated radiation levels are being detected at #Zaporizhzhia” - Marco Rubio, Senate Select Intel Committee Put on your glasses boys

More recent IAEA tweet citing Ukrainian regulators contradicts this.
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