Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

exputer.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 307 posts

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#151

Post by dolni »

Aethylia wrote: post #144
dolni wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

While true, that isn't the point of the rule. The meaning is that _if_ everyone did what you do, what _would_ happen. The practi alities of that are irrelevant. It's really about asking yourself if your actions are sustainable or damaging by scaling them up.

Perhaps, in this instance, we should be asking the more pressing question of what will happen if we allow powerful corporations to suppress knowledge that they don't like.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#152

Post by avindroth »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #127
forgotmyoldacc wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it difficult to notice that you're in the minority here?

It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't. Game producers would like to claim that all such uses are fundamentally illicit. The point of my comment was to reject that claim, not to claim that the majority of users are licit. (There's a separate argument that I'd also make that all such uses should be entirely accepted, but that's an orth…

Why is it not acceptable if a machine is not being used for its intended purposes and most people using it are for pirating games?

Why is there any notion of acceptability for a company’s rulings on how their copyrights should be protected?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#153

Post by avindroth »

afrcnc wrote: post #102
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I stopped buying their crap years ago. No platform lock for me.

Don’t platform locks lead to better games?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#154

Post by Wowfunhappy »

chaostheory wrote: post #122

It's hard to defend what Nintendo is doing because no one can actually buy old NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and Wii titles online legally.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Mario-Galaxy-Marketplace-Br...

I realize that's not a digital download, but these titles were never offered as digital downloads, and Nintendo isn't obligated to use the exact format which suits your needs. (And while Nintendo isn't directly profiting from used sales, high prices on the secondary market make their new games seem like good investments.)

(If we were talking about WiiWare exclusively, I'd have a very different attitude.)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#155

Post by avindroth »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #38
beebmam wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And out of all this, by far the most unethical thing Nintendo has ever done is refuse to release an English-language translation of Mother 3. I'll never forgive them for this, and I decided long ago I'll never buy another one of their products until they release it.

I'm sorry, but how is a company deciding not to localise and release a product to a certain market unethical?

People like to complain, especially to big rich companies.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#156

Post by AussieWog93 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #138
saltminer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the games that have cartridges, sure. When I bought a "physical copy" of Puyo Puyo Tetris, I thought it would be a cartridge but it was just a code to redeem inside a case. Waste of plastic if you ask me.

Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting. What annoys me more are cartridges that (literally) require an additional online download. But even then, game covers are pretty clear about the requirement. I avoid those games.

>Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting.

I think their complaint is actually valid in these instances. You're paying top dollar and only getting a digital code. Pretty raw deal, if you ask me.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#157

Post by avindroth »

chaostheory wrote: post #122

It's hard to defend what Nintendo is doing because no one can actually buy old NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and Wii titles online legally.

Why is Nintendo obliged to provide older content, or otherwise allow emulation?

If a company ceases to provide something, does that give you rights to acquire that something illegally?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#158

Post by dudeman13 »

wowokay wrote: post #74
ascar wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

They sell the old games, they are not free. All of there games are overpriced and never go on sale, probably because it seems like they only have a handful of games. I don’t think it’s fair to say valve is late to the party, if anything they are first. There is a distinct difference between consoles games and pc games, the steam deck focuses on bringing pc games to a portable format, that opens the door to an almost…

>All of there games are overpriced and never go on sale

If whole generations of gamers will buy them regardless, why should they change it?

Even after shitting hard on their customers, gamers are still voting Nintendo with their wallets.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#159

Post by Wowfunhappy »

shirro wrote: post #147

Nintendo have the right to protect their IP and revenue. They have made some iconic games and characters that I would argue are as culturely significant as anything made by Disney. I would like them to be able to keep funding creative people. However their revenues almost entirely comes from the new and not the old. Games don't go into syndication and get tv reruns. They are kept alive by the emulation community and…

> However their revenues almost entirely comes from the new and not the old. Games don't go into syndication and get tv reruns. They are kept alive by the emulation community and I would argue it builds support for Nintendo's IP rather than do them damage.

Note that in this case, we're talking about a Switch emulator.

> Playing on a PC is going to be a worse experience in almost every way.

I mean, not necessarily. I would argue that Breath of the Wild is already a better experience on a powerful PC (not necessarily a Steam Deck), once everything is set up. You can play in 4K and 60 fps with a long draw distance.

---

I wish there was an easy, accessible way to rip legitimate cartridges for emulation. The problem is that no reasonable person is ever going to buy a game to play it in an emulator, because it requires an order of magnitude more work than downloading the game for free.

(The only exception I can think of is the PS2; PCSX2 can play PS2 games directly from a standard optical drive, and was released in an era when such drives were standard.)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#160

Post by Wowfunhappy »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #156
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting. What annoys me more are cartridges that (literally) require an additional online download. But even then, game covers are pretty clear about the requirement. I avoid those games.

>Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting. I think their complaint is actually valid in these instances. You're paying top dollar and only getting a digital code. Pretty raw deal, if you ask me.

They're useful for kids who don't have easy access to a credit card. I personally don't think retailers are trying to trick anyone. How would you suggest they be more transparent?
Post reply on HN