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Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by brnt »

caeril wrote: post #138
csee wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Russia damage it? They can just shut it off voluntarily on their side and use that for leverage.

> They can just shut it off voluntarily on their side and use that for leverage. The sanctions have conveniently carved out exceptions for settling energy, wheat, barley, and other commodity contracts, and it's these contract settlements that have prevented the Ruble's 50% collapse from becoming a 90% collapse. Starving the West of energy and food would definitely be a fun bargaining chip and/or tit-for-tat escalatio…

Russia is a net food importer.

Russia sells gas in Europe for a profit. In China, not so much. Turning off the gas to Europe means turning off the majority of its income, it's not going to happen.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by brnt »

pydry wrote: post #127
hkpack wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a popular misconception. They want all of Ukraine. The east was just a part they could get control over in 2014. But their goal was always the whole country.

Says who? By all conventional measures it's impossible for them to hold it. Why would we assume thats what theyre trying to do? It makes no sense.

Says Putin. Repeatedly since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by fomine3 »

haughty wrote: post #29

What i didn't realize until very recently was that natural gas can be liquefied and sold on an open market like a barrel of oil. With that in mind, these pipelines are not as critical. Additionally, pipelines operate by contracts which offer very generous discounts years in advance; Liquefied gas, on the other hand, is a commodity and is sold at market prices. Seems logical to assume that Russian gas will still be so…

LNG also could be a contract.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by fomine3 »

pydry wrote: post #127
hkpack wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a popular misconception. They want all of Ukraine. The east was just a part they could get control over in 2014. But their goal was always the whole country.

Says who? By all conventional measures it's impossible for them to hold it. Why would we assume thats what theyre trying to do? It makes no sense.

It makes no sense. But Putin wants...

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by landemva »

treis wrote: post #32
skadamat wrote: post #12

I never knew until recently how tied up Russia's oil strategy was to their military / political thinking. If others are interested, this video has a great overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

Funny thing is that something like half of Russian gas goes through Ukraine and some more is just across the border in Belarus. AFAIK that hasn't stopped. Just goes to show you the complexity of international relations. Map: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/photo/europe-map/ It's a bit misleading since it doesn't show Nordstream 1 which runs under the Baltic sea to Germany. EDIT: Here's a better map. The above is o…

Ukraine receives transit fees for pipeline flow. https://m.dw.com/en/can-ukraine-do-without-russian-gas-trans...

Harming the pipeline would harm Ukraine financially.

Maybe Ukraine has refused since 2014 to allow eastern Ukraine (ethnic Russian) to vote on leaving due to oil wealth in that area?

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Post by landemva »

exabrial wrote: post #16
jotm wrote: post #13

I am quite afraid of Russia shutting off the gas and oil supply. I hope Europe doesn't give up on sanctions then, at least not right away. Betting on Russia needing the income more than we need the resources. Power will go out completely around here and partially in many other regions, but we can live through that. Having solar (plus wind and batteries) is a major boon, and this would undoubtedly drive demand through…

I am certainly empathetic to having power and lights go out... In the midwestern USA, we survived last year with rotating blackouts during an unexpected winter storm that reached deep into Texas to parts that haven't seen snow in 50 years, and some parts ever receiving snow on recorded record. That being said, people are dying because of cheap power and gas. I know it's easy for me to say halfway across the world fro…

' ...people are dying because of cheap power and gas.'

Cheap power raises living standards. How do people die from voluntarily choosing less expensive energy?

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by pydry »

brnt wrote: post #143
pydry wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says who? By all conventional measures it's impossible for them to hold it. Why would we assume thats what theyre trying to do? It makes no sense.

Says Putin. Repeatedly since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Putin said that id you dont lament the fall of the soviet union you have no heart but if you want to rebuild it you have no brain.

I think he knows Ukraine is lost. He wants it broken so it becomes a strategic liability for the west rather than a military asset.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #89
rightbyte wrote: post #78

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Direct electricity radiators in the short term will be used instead of gas to heat, so ye, there might be blackouts.

Not even that. I am a German myself, and I can tell our heating habbits are on a luxurious level. It is very common in Germany to heat the full house/appartment 24/7 to a comfy level just so you can walk around in light/comfy closes. It is common to not wear thick closes at home and especially not in bed etc. Gas is also used for the water boiler, and it is considered "standard" to shower every day. Now, if I go back…

Oh it's not just Germany. In the Bay Area, California, US, (where you could easily go without any heating or cooling year round like myself) every 10 posts on Nextdoor during the winter is:

"Why is my gas bill $500? This is outrageous. I have 2,400 sq ft. (232 sq. m.) house and keep it at 70F (21C) at all times, so what?"

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Post by landemva »

qiskit wrote: post #139
skadamat wrote: post #12

I never knew until recently how tied up Russia's oil strategy was to their military / political thinking. If others are interested, this video has a great overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

> I never knew until recently how tied up Russia's oil strategy was to their military / political thinking. Oil strategy is tied to everyone's military/political thinking. Especially the top oil producers like Russia, US, etc. US was the top oil producer from 1850s to 1950s. It's one of the reasons we became a world power. We aren't maintaining military bases in saudi arabia because we are fans of islam. We didn't in…

' Oil strategy is tied to everyone's military/political thinking. '

Now people may begin to understand why Biden's son was installed in 2014 on board of directors of a Ukraine oil producer at 50,000 USD per month. It was not by happenstance nor for knowledge of oil & gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27403003

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