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Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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I never knew until recently how tied up Russia's oil strategy was to their military / political thinking. If others are interested, this video has a great overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

Gas and oil is all they have to trade and they have a lot of it.

Metals, wheat and some other stuff. All soon to be halted if not already.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

#72
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That's been my argument to friends and family this week. If an extra dollar per gallon is what it takes for fewer Ukrainian children to die then that's what it takes.

That's good, but also: · We should put extra dollars not to buy goods from Israel, so fewer Palestinian children die · We should put extra dollars not to buy goods from the US, so fewer Syrian children die · We should put extra dollars not to buy goods from the UAE, so fewer Yemeni children die · ... I'm afraid I don't have so much money.

We all had the extra dollars and did spend them in places where these abuses were not happening when we had a robust economy that was not just centered on knowlage and service work.

When you can get cheap goods from somewhere, then you can buy more. We outsourced and promoted cheap products for the benifit of Wallstreet and busniess at the expense of our future wages and global human rights.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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I am quite afraid of Russia shutting off the gas and oil supply. I hope Europe doesn't give up on sanctions then, at least not right away. Betting on Russia needing the income more than we need the resources. Power will go out completely around here and partially in many other regions, but we can live through that. Having solar (plus wind and batteries) is a major boon, and this would undoubtedly drive demand through…

can solar run 24/7 factories?? it's not that simple guys

If you put solar panels on top of your nuclear power plant then yes it works 24/7.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Gas and oil is all they have to trade and they have a lot of it.

If only they used the profits to build a great economy with more to offer. They have no shortage capable and even brilliant people, but they've got a management problem at the national level.

The resource curse tends to be the rule, not the exception.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

#75
Without natural resources Russia GDP would be lower than Polish. I think the whole reason for this war is the green transformation of the world. Military dictatorship played the wrong game and didn't mange to reform the country (it seems to be a case for all countries run by military).

This is Proxy war with US/Nato to get a trade deal in exchange for balancing China with military power (last card they've got). France and Germany were OK with this - cheap resources, you can move pouting factories to Siberia, production would be more competitive than Chinese.

US and rest were not happy about this.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

#76

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More convinced that the only thing stopping wars will be energy abundance not reliant on fossil fuels. Countries will still fight over natural resources, but probably less

There's an argument here that this war is a step in the transition from wars over "oil" (read: energy supply) to wars over water. There's a little bit of both here, and it's made the war difficult for outsiders to read.

Not sure if it’s a water war the way I would consider it but you may be right.

Freshwater is typically the object of hypothetical water wars, and in this case Russia wants warm (salt) water for naval power projection.

This is probably more of a coastline/harbour war.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Funny thing is that something like half of Russian gas goes through Ukraine and some more is just across the border in Belarus. AFAIK that hasn't stopped. Just goes to show you the complexity of international relations. Map: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/photo/europe-map/ It's a bit misleading since it doesn't show Nordstream 1 which runs under the Baltic sea to Germany. EDIT: Here's a better map. The above is o…

Makes you wonder if one side or the other will “accidentally” damage those pipelines. Like obviously they can’t overtly do it but you know, stuff gets damaged every day in combat zones… it would certainly immensely hurt Russia’s strategic position to have their gas exports cut off.

Better yet, Ukraine should build some well fortified military bases on top of/next to the pipelines. It seems like Russia's only advantage in this war right now is artillery. But if an errant shell could shut down one of the last remaining sources of revenue, maybe the will think twice?

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

#78

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I don't mean just the cost of energy but also potential blackouts. But as you say, it's a price worth paying.

There will be no blackout due to gas issues. Power generation from gas is not a problem. Heat generation from gas could become one though. Luckily Germany will likely mandate a switch to electricity driven heatpumps for all buildings soon.

Direct electricity radiators in the short term will be used instead of gas to heat, so ye, there might be blackouts.

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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> Putin’s and his inner circle’s plan was that it will take 1-4 days to take Kiev and two weeks to take most of Ukraine. This is being said a lot these days, but I haven't seen any proof of it. I'm not saying that proofs don't exist nor that it's wrong, just that I've been reading it everywhere, and haven't seen evidence. So I'd be happy if someone reading this could point out to some clues

It's been leaked from UK intelligence and yesterday Russian war plans were captured that said essentially the same thing: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/2/7327539/

Should I be worried that this publication is named, "pravda?"

Re: Russian gas flows via Yamal pipeline to Germany halt, bids remain

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Funny thing is that something like half of Russian gas goes through Ukraine and some more is just across the border in Belarus. AFAIK that hasn't stopped. Just goes to show you the complexity of international relations. Map: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/photo/europe-map/ It's a bit misleading since it doesn't show Nordstream 1 which runs under the Baltic sea to Germany. EDIT: Here's a better map. The above is o…

Makes you wonder if one side or the other will “accidentally” damage those pipelines. Like obviously they can’t overtly do it but you know, stuff gets damaged every day in combat zones… it would certainly immensely hurt Russia’s strategic position to have their gas exports cut off.

Why would Russia damage it? They can just shut it off voluntarily on their side and use that for leverage.
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