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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by enos_feedler »

munchbunny wrote: post #75
eezurr wrote: post #65

Nintendo really cares about the Nintendo experience, from their games all the way to the physical product people hold to experience them. And it shows. People talk about Nintendo as if a spell has been cast on them (much in the way Apple fans talk about Apple). If you look into how much Nintendo spends on R&D and compare it to their revenues, you'll see they are _really_ serious about R&D. It would be detrimental to…

I disagree with the "young" part, to the extent that plenty of young people who are not power users understand this tradeoff viscerally just as much as older people do. The main difference I see is that people who are of working age tend to be more willing to pay money/a premium for someone to remove the need to make those choices.

Also I would actually say that older folks that have been around for the more open systems when the web was flourishing have a bias for things to always be this way, even if it was transient. Younger people who experience more locked down things throughout their existence come to expect it. So not sure about the young vs old

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by snvzz »

threeseed wrote: post #63
joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

If people were showing you how to bypass Steam and download games for free do you really think Valve wouldn't use DCMA to have it removed ? Because I can't think of any business who would tolerate this.

False equivalence.

These videos aren't showing how to download games for free.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by mwt »

staticman2 wrote: post #22
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be. I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

> it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts

It is if you want it to be, but it's also a plug-and-play handheld console for PC gamers, which is not a niche market. Yeah, it runs a Linux-based OS but it's not like the user has to install it. Yeah, tinkerers and hackers are gonna do crazy stuff with it, but the vast majority of users will simply exchange $400 for a thing that runs video games.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by teawrecks »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down.

Something something that's capitalism.

But seriously, what do we do as responsible consumers and voters to prevent this? Should there be a measurable penalty for knowingly lying on DMCA takedown orders, something proportional to the estimation of attempted damages caused? It's obviously anticompetitive, but can anything be done?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ascar »

wowokay wrote: post #74
ascar wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

They sell the old games, they are not free. All of there games are overpriced and never go on sale, probably because it seems like they only have a handful of games. I don’t think it’s fair to say valve is late to the party, if anything they are first. There is a distinct difference between consoles games and pc games, the steam deck focuses on bringing pc games to a portable format, that opens the door to an almost…

> outside of Xbox play anywhere it’s the first time players don’t have to repurchase a game in order to play it on a portable device.

I agree that's a nice perk and I also regularly pay more to have my games in Steam rather than somewhere else, because it usually just works and keeps on working with Steam era games. My issues were mostly with pre-online era games where I still owned the actual CD.

It would've been nice if I could just play my old N64 games for free, but I also didn't feel cheated that I had to pay for the ported versions again.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by chungy »

ascar wrote: post #47
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

"Was" in an operative word. Nintendo was selling N64 games virtually on the Wii in 2007. They have yet to improve on that offering.

The closest they got was Super Mario 3D All-Stars that included emulation of a GameCube (Mario Sunshine) and a Wii (Mario Galaxy) game, but Nintendo being Nintendo, it was on the e-shop for a limited time and a limited manufacturing run for physical release. Two console generations after the Wii, the most Nintendo can muster is bringing back Nintendo 64 games to their current console, 5 years after the console's release. It's pathetic.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by LeoPanthera »

threeseed wrote: post #63
joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

If people were showing you how to bypass Steam and download games for free do you really think Valve wouldn't use DCMA to have it removed ? Because I can't think of any business who would tolerate this.

Emulation, unlike software piracy, is not illegal.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Gigachad »

weberer wrote: post #37
joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

You're going to be waiting in line for a long time.

Still waiting for the 2019 Index to be actually in stock in Australia.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by makeitdouble »

humanistbot wrote: post #56
TheDong wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this video only showed emulators and not ROMs It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are. But, even moreso, removals of videos on youtube are typically not done through the DMCA directly, but rather through a private extra-judicial system youtube manages (content-id et al). Of course youtu…

> It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are. Nope. Emulators do not circumvent copy protection. When a ROM maker is extracting the game content from the original version, they are breaking copy protection. The ROM file they create and distribute does not have copy protection, so the emulato…

> These are not, which is the point. Nintendo is doing this intentionally with their own DMCA takedowns. These aren't accidental false positives picked up by content id.

Parent’s point is that Nintendo is not sending actual, official DMCA takedowns. They go through Youtube’s system that only needs suspicion of violation to strike the videos.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by kevinh »

threeseed wrote: post #63
joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

If people were showing you how to bypass Steam and download games for free do you really think Valve wouldn't use DCMA to have it removed ? Because I can't think of any business who would tolerate this.

I seriously doubt they would. Gabe Newell, Valve's owner, has talked about how piracy is a service problem. Steam is wildly successful even though most of the games on the service either have no DRM or Steam's easily cracked one.

There's also a YT video from over a year ago with over 250k views with a title about pirating games, which I imagine would've gotten taken down if Valve cared since it references Steam specifically.

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