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Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by mathisonturing »

TomGullen wrote: post #96
ASalazarMX wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly I'm getting tired of all the psyops flood. This helps nil because they're only inconveniencing Alexander, not the Russian government, their military or their oligarchy. Of all the sports, I would have thought chess would be much less prone to politics because chess players are almost free agents.

> Of all the sports, I would have thought chess would be much less prone to politics because chess players are almost free agents. Are you at all aware of the history of chess?!?

Please share for those uninitiated like me

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by RustyBucket »

wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

This is how you step on a path of a genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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dmitrygr wrote: post #93
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by Someone »

shagmin wrote: post #91
endisneigh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were actually the issue they’d be allowed to play, but not on behalf of Russia. Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? If actions have to be taken, which ones? If actions can be taken to allow them to participate then in a sense is that saying the actions are sufficient to compensate for the senseless killing of Ukrainians? If no time o…

Chess isn't something that's played "on behalf of" countries like the Olympics are, are they, or some gray area in between? Aside from that, I kind of view it as a blunt instrument. If there were a way to target Putin and his regime directly within a reasonable amount of risk, I think they'd have chosen that option. In 2014 I think I remember some people under Putin took it as a badge of honor to be on the sanctions…

> Chess isn't something that's played "on behalf of" countries like the Olympics are, are they

Mostly not, but there’s the Chess Olympiad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_Olympiad) and the World Team Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Team_Chess_Championship)

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ak217 »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #84
sethbannon wrote: post #7

For those curious, Alexander Grischuk did put out a fairly strong statement of condemnation of the invasion: https://worldchess.com/news/all/alexander-grischuk-on-the-ru... Pretty brave of him.

Frankly I'm getting tired of all the psyops flood. This helps nil because they're only inconveniencing Alexander, not the Russian government, their military or their oligarchy. Of all the sports, I would have thought chess would be much less prone to politics because chess players are almost free agents.

This is absolutely untrue. Russian chess has always been used by the Russian state as a propaganda vehicle, similarly to Olympic sports. And the chess players are hardly free agents as long as they or their families are based in Russia.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by lordnacho »

jstx1 wrote: post #25
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

They don't have to represent Russia, the organisers could let them play without the Russian flag next to the players name.

Everyone still thinks of them as representing Russia though, especially if you just let them be called "Russian Olympic Committee" or similar.

Even if they were under a neutral flag everyone would think of the person as Russian.

There's no way around it, we all already know where they are from, regardless of what they think of the war.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by toolslive »

agambrahma wrote: post #92

Eh, punishing individuals like this seems pointless, especially _after_ they've made their personal stance clear. Or at least, it doesn't "advance the game of chess", which is what organizers should care more about. There is probably some creative middle ground to be found here, such as awarding them without recognizing Russia, etc.

They have been creative in the past too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1990#...

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by tpm »

mathisonturing wrote: post #101
TomGullen wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of all the sports, I would have thought chess would be much less prone to politics because chess players are almost free agents. Are you at all aware of the history of chess?!?

Please share for those uninitiated like me

Fischer - Spassky 1972

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by goto11 »

RustyBucket wrote: post #102
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

This is how you step on a path of a genocide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide )

Allowing a dictator to invade a neighboring country which he don't think had a right to exist, is how you end up with genocide.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by throwawayfuture »

agambrahma wrote: post #92

Eh, punishing individuals like this seems pointless, especially _after_ they've made their personal stance clear. Or at least, it doesn't "advance the game of chess", which is what organizers should care more about. There is probably some creative middle ground to be found here, such as awarding them without recognizing Russia, etc.

> Eh, punishing individuals like this seems pointless

I feel the same way about Ukranian citizens who are being forced to flee their homes.

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