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Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#41
What’s with all these cancellations of Russian citizens?

Surely this is not going to look good at the end of this war, and it’ll just be more propaganda for the Russian gov’t to use - “look, the west doesn’t care about you”.

Is this just “cancel culture” exposed in a different area?

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#42

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

> the person is representing Russia

It's not a team sport. One would think chess players represent themselves.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#43
Sanctions are often universal rather than person specific. Grischuk isn't being banned for his specific political beliefs. He is being banned as an action against his country. Some of the ways we punish that country are by punishing its people. It doesn't mean the people receiving that punishment are guilty of anything, it is just the method of putting pressure on that country's government to reverse course. This is true of basically all sanctions against Russia whether is is something symbolic like preventing athletes from competing under a Russian flag, something general like trade sanctions, or something very specific such as seizing a yacht of an oligarch. These all hurt specific people in varying ways that isn't proportional with those people's personal politics or guilt in the actions of the Russian government.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#44

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

Agreed - I can't believe how quickly the "mainstream" had adopted a hatred basically of a whole people based on the actions of an autocratic leader that does not represent them, and where speaking out would almost certainly have very bad consequences. We should be doing everything we can to stop Putin from waging war, but casual hatred of a group is not helpful or appropriate, even if it's the obvious extension of al…

I do not believe this can be classified as hatred.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#45

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

Grischuk has already made public statements against the war. What else do you want him to do, blow up the Duma?

And Russia is a country where high profile dissenters do risk their freedom if not their lives outright. The people comfortably making this decision from Norway aren't doing anything like that.

This tells to Russians that the world doesn't care about them, individually, risking their lives to stop the actions of their Government as they like to claim.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#46

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The solution is obviously to punish those causing the harm directly, no? Obviously much easier said than done. Also not sure why you’re mentioning America here - the article is about Norway

> The solution is obviously to punish those causing the harm directly, no?

You mean direct war against Russia? That would certainly also cause collateral damage on innocents.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#47
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It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.

Sure, but what about the livelihoods of the people these actions affect more directly? What if he needs that chess money to pay his bills? It’s heavy handed, imo.

Everyone in Russia is going to be hurting from this. Most of them don't really deserve it, but you can't bring an entire economy to its knees without harming everyone.

It'd be kinda weird to single out chess masters to save from the pain, while a grandma on a fixed income is facing shortages and watching her already-meager buying power drop by the day, the low-level staff at various businesses are put on half-time or cut altogether and they'll be skipping meals to make rent, et c.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#48
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Not sure why the title is about Grischuk specifically, Norway Chess banned all Russian players. Which sucks given that many of these players have spoken up against what Russia is doing. Seems like they're being penalized unnecessarily.

Karpov and Karjakin support Putin.

Sure, and Nepo, Grischuk, Svidler etc. don't. Norway Chess treats these two groups the same.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#49
Can we get the link updated to the official statement? https://norwaychess.no/en/2022/03/02/russian-participation/

The article is an opinion piece that's inaccurately framed in that it's not the specific canceling of an individual (and cats), but solidarity with sanctions placed on Russia.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#50
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't understandable really. What is happening here is discrimination and can't be justified. Unless they have some proof that they are a spy or as an extension of Russian government for a dangerous intent, then there is no excuse. This is only going to create more conflict and tension, and generate hatred in people that would otherwise be neutral.

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Framing a rescinded invitation as discrimination is not a stretch at all, it very literally is discrimination. If you replace this definitely not discriminatory action against a Russian with a Black Man would you still support it?
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