I hate it when a serious issue is dragged to the extreme in such distracting ways. Dostoyevski and chess players are not the problem , be smart
Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk
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#12Not sure why the title is about Grischuk specifically, Norway Chess banned all Russian players. Which sucks given that many of these players have spoken up against what Russia is doing. Seems like they're being penalized unnecessarily.
The country is being punished. Countries are made up of people. In all likelihood no Russian will be untouched by these sanctions. The secondary motivation is that other players might drop out in protest. Look at what just happened to the Paralympics. The plan from on high was to keep the Russian team. It looks like it was complaints from the other athletes complaining that reversed decision.
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#13I hate it when a serious issue is dragged to the extreme in such distracting ways. Dostoyevski and chess players are not the problem , be smart
Working class Russians are not the problem either, yet the sanctions penalise them the most.
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#14It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.
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#15It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.
Sure, but what about the livelihoods of the people these actions affect more directly? What if he needs that chess money to pay his bills?
It’s heavy handed, imo.
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#16It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.
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#17It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.
I wonder if he would be allowed to compete under the FIDE flag like Alireza Firouzja did after leaving Iran.
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#18Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…
Agreed - I can't believe how quickly the "mainstream" had adopted a hatred basically of a whole people based on the actions of an autocratic leader that does not represent them, and where speaking out would almost certainly have very bad consequences. We should be doing everything we can to stop Putin from waging war, but casual hatred of a group is not helpful or appropriate, even if it's the obvious extension of all the online mob behavior we've seen in recent years.
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#19Understandable in light of sanctions against Russia. However, this truly sucks for him as an individual, particularly in light of what he had to say about the invasion. The man is truly pained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFN0s53RpGY
It isn't understandable really. What is happening here is discrimination and can't be justified. Unless they have some proof that they are a spy or as an extension of Russian government for a dangerous intent, then there is no excuse. This is only going to create more conflict and tension, and generate hatred in people that would otherwise be neutral.
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#20This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction.
However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to do that. It's terrible for people whose jobs are directly affected, but the situation is even worse for Ukrainians.