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Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#21

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#22
post #14

It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.

Sure, but what about the livelihoods of the people these actions affect more directly? What if he needs that chess money to pay his bills? It’s heavy handed, imo.

The proportionate response would be to start shelling Russian cities. Nothing short of that can be heavy-handed.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#23

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

Agreed - I can't believe how quickly the "mainstream" had adopted a hatred basically of a whole people based on the actions of an autocratic leader that does not represent them, and where speaking out would almost certainly have very bad consequences. We should be doing everything we can to stop Putin from waging war, but casual hatred of a group is not helpful or appropriate, even if it's the obvious extension of al…

“Do everything we can, but not this, this is too harsh.”

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#24
post #14

It's not about the chess players. It's about the little people who see the headline that another of their representatives is unwelcome, and about the powerful people who see one more way Russia is being shamed for its actions.

Sure, but what about the livelihoods of the people these actions affect more directly? What if he needs that chess money to pay his bills? It’s heavy handed, imo.

Do you apply the same logic to all of the banking sanctions that effect regular Russian people? should we not enact any sanctions that could in any way effect the value of the rouble for instance? as the whole country relies on it to pay their bills.

People are dying, heavy handed measures are needed.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#25

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

They don't have to represent Russia, the organisers could let them play without the Russian flag next to the players name.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#26

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#27
post #11

I hate it when a serious issue is dragged to the extreme in such distracting ways. Dostoyevski and chess players are not the problem , be smart

Working class Russians are not the problem either, yet the sanctions penalise them the most.

And that usually plays to the advantage of the elite. Now the working class has only one supporter, the Russian government. Their propaganda of "west hates you" feels very real to them now.

This is quite age old tactic that usually doesn't work, punishing civilians in the war usually does not demoralize them, but works against the aggressor. Same can be said about these sanctions. Why would they trust the west if we want to punish them and their only hope is their current administration?

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#28

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

Grischuk has already made public statements against the war. What else do you want him to do, blow up the Duma?

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#29
post #2

Understandable in light of sanctions against Russia. However, this truly sucks for him as an individual, particularly in light of what he had to say about the invasion. The man is truly pained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFN0s53RpGY

It isn't understandable really. What is happening here is discrimination and can't be justified. Unless they have some proof that they are a spy or as an extension of Russian government for a dangerous intent, then there is no excuse. This is only going to create more conflict and tension, and generate hatred in people that would otherwise be neutral.

> What is happening here is discrimination and can't be justified

It is discrimination. And it's entirely justified. The same way when, if your friend stars a bar brawl, you all get kicked out. Only he should get e.g. arrested. But there's a big difference between not being able to compete for your country and getting shelled.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#30

For those curious, Alexander Grischuk did put out a fairly strong statement of condemnation of the invasion: https://worldchess.com/news/all/alexander-grischuk-on-the-ru... Pretty brave of him.

It does nothing. It's a statement for the west audience. He can't say the same in Russian for the Russian audience loudly. Because in this case he will be put in jail for years. Wake up, Russia is a fascists state. Which is on the blood run.
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