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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by brabel »

the_duke wrote: post #85
thinkingemote wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One can examine each image and see if the object displayed in it is unique. I saw one news report which had multiple photos of the same object but taken from different angles and it must be said, from different people. Authentic very much so, however the number of images needs to be normalised with the number of objects.

There is a whole "OSINT" (open source intelligence) community doing just that and publishing counts. They also try to geolocate the images via terrain and buildings using maps, satellite images, etc to disambiguate. Pretty odd way to pass the time ... but they seem to be confident in substantial Russian losses.

I am pretty sure Russian losses are very large, no one should doubt that, after all, they entered another country and are taking on their full military power headfirst... however, we cannot expect the Russians will simply go back home on the face of any resistance: we should expect them to fight harder and harder until they get their way, or finally give up, but at a very high cost... I mean, I admire Ukrainians putting up a resistance to a much larger enemy like they're doing, but in my view, if Ukrainians fight til' the end, this will only end with one of two scenarios:

* Russians leave humiliated and broken.

* Ukrainians finally capitulate.

In the first case, Russians are likely to first destroy everything in their path before leaving, because they will want to show they did not go home without inflicting more pain than they suffered.

In the second, the outcome is actually similar, but Russians don't leave for a while at least (Putin seems to intend to install a puppet government, then leave).

In both cases, there's almost nothing left standing in the whole of Ukraine. Unless they stop the fighting and negotiate, this seems to be the inevitable outcome.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by nosianu »

Mo3 wrote: post #100
nosianu wrote: post #89

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> I doubt you have ever penetrated deep enough into the favorite German pastime. You don't know me. Many years ago, early nineties, I worked in the kitchen of a New Jersey summer camp for over two months through a student exchange program. At one point I decided to show them what "German" and "order" really means. I cleaned up the large pantry. Before, it was what you expect when you hear the term. A somewhat dark pl…

Your passport is ready for pickup. Just be prepared to spend 5 hours for the paperwork

I picked up my new German passport two weeks ago, It took less than ten minutes total.

When I ordered it though - last October - I had to make an appointment just to order a new one - two months later, middle of December. Then it took 8 more weeks to actually get it. Still, I did not have to wait there for long. Also, this was all due to COVID measures. Without those there would not have been all those appointments for an appointment online registrations.

The paperwork for getting a new one itself did not take long either . and I was a special complicated case. I had let my mandatory registration slip for over a decade. I was surprised - I got zero complaints and they just entered the residence data retroactively and that was all. I had thought I'd at least have to pay a fine, since I actually violated law.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by willis936 »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #86
willis936 wrote: post #39

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I spoke with several Russians on 4chan last night.

There are many rulings against 4chan in Russia and while I'm not sure about the status right now, they used simple DNS blocks back in the day what is somewhat easy to avoid for semi computer literate people. VPNs are also obviously popular. If you end up in a blacklist it's forbidden to read, distribute etc these links. You can check rublacklist.net for more detailed stuff and rulings.

4chan bans known VPN IP ranges. It's possible that they're state-sponsored trolls. They seem to be pretty adamantly anti-West.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by Mo3 »

nosianu wrote: post #102
Mo3 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your passport is ready for pickup. Just be prepared to spend 5 hours for the paperwork

I picked up my new German passport two weeks ago, It took less than ten minutes total. When I ordered it though - last October - I had to make an appointment just to order a new one - two months later, middle of December. Then it took 8 more weeks to actually get it. Still, I did not have to wait there for long. Also, this was all due to COVID measures. Without those there would not have been all those appointments f…

Im joking. :)

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

#105

Post by qazpot »

oliwarner wrote: post #93
qazpot wrote: post #92

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The amplification of this regional conflict by social media into a global conflict will backfire and can start a nuclear world war.

Allowing Russia to do whatever the hell it likes because we're too afraid of MAD will be what kills the West. He'll push against a NATO member soon enough. If we can't stand up for them, he won't stop. And even non-military, these punitive sanctions drive us all closer to midnight, as we plunge the citizens of Russia into a deep economic depression. Short of a friendly and broadly supported coup or a complete ideolog…

> Allowing Russia to do whatever the hell it likes because we're too afraid of MAD will be what kills the West. He'll push against a NATO member soon enough. If we can't stand up for them, he won't stop.

This is fear mongering, why the hell do you want a nuclear war so bad. I hope NATO officials keep sanity and do not start a war with russia.

> there is no way forward here that doesn't risk everything.

Yes there is, NATO can provide arms to ukrainian people and they need to fight for their freedom.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by oliwarner »

qazpot wrote: post #105
oliwarner wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing Russia to do whatever the hell it likes because we're too afraid of MAD will be what kills the West. He'll push against a NATO member soon enough. If we can't stand up for them, he won't stop. And even non-military, these punitive sanctions drive us all closer to midnight, as we plunge the citizens of Russia into a deep economic depression. Short of a friendly and broadly supported coup or a complete ideolog…

> Allowing Russia to do whatever the hell it likes because we're too afraid of MAD will be what kills the West. He'll push against a NATO member soon enough. If we can't stand up for them, he won't stop. This is fear mongering, why the hell do you want a nuclear war so bad. I hope NATO officials keep sanity and do not start a war with russia. > there is no way forward here that doesn't risk everything. Yes there is,…

Saying ~"don't take any direct action or he'll nuke us all" is also fear-mongering. He might. From what we've seen recently, we need to understand that he might anyway.

Sitting on the sidelines and expecting the tiny countries that surround Russia to individually win wars, or expecting the beaten and suppressed peoples of Russia, Belarus, etc to rise up is inhumane… because they will fight. And die.

And say we do sit it out. Do you think the restoration of the USSR is what's going to bring us nuclear peace? Or just another border, more tension, more of this?

We've played this game before. As a European, my life would be extraordinarily different if the world hadn't eventually come together 81 years ago. Just imagine if Europe and the US had drawn together two years earlier.

I don't want nuclear war but holding up the threat of that as a cause for inaction —heaping guns on Ukraine while they're outnumbered 20:1 doesn't count— is the rank cowardice that nuclear dictators count on to get away with murder. It's not good enough.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by qazpot »

oliwarner wrote: post #106
qazpot wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Allowing Russia to do whatever the hell it likes because we're too afraid of MAD will be what kills the West. He'll push against a NATO member soon enough. If we can't stand up for them, he won't stop. This is fear mongering, why the hell do you want a nuclear war so bad. I hope NATO officials keep sanity and do not start a war with russia. > there is no way forward here that doesn't risk everything. Yes there is,…

Saying ~"don't take any direct action or he'll nuke us all" is also fear-mongering. He might. From what we've seen recently, we need to understand that he might anyway . Sitting on the sidelines and expecting the tiny countries that surround Russia to individually win wars, or expecting the beaten and suppressed peoples of Russia, Belarus, etc to rise up is inhumane… because they will fight. And die. And say we do si…

This conflict is not about restoring USSR, It is about Ukraine joining NATO. No Russian leader is going to allow Ukraine to join NATO, because it is a serious danger to their own country.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by oliwarner »

qazpot wrote: post #107
oliwarner wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying ~"don't take any direct action or he'll nuke us all" is also fear-mongering. He might. From what we've seen recently, we need to understand that he might anyway . Sitting on the sidelines and expecting the tiny countries that surround Russia to individually win wars, or expecting the beaten and suppressed peoples of Russia, Belarus, etc to rise up is inhumane… because they will fight. And die. And say we do si…

This conflict is not about restoring USSR, It is about Ukraine joining NATO. No Russian leader is going to allow Ukraine to join NATO, because it is a serious danger to their own country.

Er, Moscow surrounded by subservient states seems an awful lot like the later iterations of the USSR and the route they're using to get there is demonstrably more dangerous than anything NATO would do. The more violent Russia is, the greater the call for NATO and missile shields on its doorstep.

And again, allowing Putin to subsume a new democracy doesn't make the world safer. It shows him he can dictate over his neighbours while the West does nothing.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by smilespray »

pjc50 wrote: post #78
koonsolo wrote: post #75

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> They have almost the military power of the US I thought so too, until I heard their economy is as big as the Benelux. Then I though, how can they be a "world power"? I looked at military spending: US: 778 bn China: 252 bn India: 72.9 bn Russia: 61.7 UK: 59.2 So in other words, they spend about the same as UK, and 12x less than US alone. They are still riding the old Soviet days. We believe their military is a world…

> their walkie-talkies are customer products. Entertainingly, in 2019 a general went to jail because the supposed "made in Russia" radios were Chinese cheap consumer Baofeng radios which had had the labels swapped. https://warsawinstitute.org/deputy-chief-russias-general-sta...

So I have "Russian" military-grade communications equipment in my drawer? Huh.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by thro1 »

thro1 wrote: post #15

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

Better source: https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/1498332007650275339
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