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No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by watwut »

dannyw wrote: post #37
acdha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Come on, you literally think the Central Intelligence Agency, the poster child for psy-ops, is not doing psy-ops right now??? That's like saying there's no evidence the NSA has saved this exact message in Xkeyscore.

Which is entirely different claim then "CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR".

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by drran »

dannyw wrote: post #37
acdha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Come on, you literally think the Central Intelligence Agency, the poster child for psy-ops, is not doing psy-ops right now??? That's like saying there's no evidence the NSA has saved this exact message in Xkeyscore.

CIA cannot defend USA from Russian propaganda. CIA are noobs in this war. They used our (Ukrainian) help to catch Russians. I know Russians inside out. I have 15+ years of experience in defending of Ukrainian informational space. Who has more years of experience than me? Nobody.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by xattt »

hef19898 wrote: post #19
tyropita wrote: post #2

Just imagine regular Ukrainian folks commuting to work in their personal tanks. What a time to be alive!

Well, they are propably not allowed to keep them, just sell them for tax free revenue.

If an individual is concerned enough about tax implications of a new acquisition, the individual probably has enough foresight to consider the cost of fuel.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by dubblo »

pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

Any negative new related to ukraine is either shot down, assumed to be russian propaganda, not talked about. There has been widespread racism faced by blacks and indians. If you goto reddit any news related to it are downvoted as russian propaganda, uncivilized people not following orders etc. Even HN did not pick it up.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by [deleted] »

the_duke wrote: post #29
brabel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, but you know those are fake, right?

There are countless images and videos on Telegram/Twitter of abandoned and captured Russian vehicles, including many not used by Ukrainian forces. Some of them are surely staged for Psyops, but by sheer volume plenty of them must be authentic.

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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by watwut »

gilrain wrote: post #35
sva_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

At my school, it was the genocide that was emphasized as the terrible thing, not the military strategy.

More then one bad things can happen at the same time. The genocide was not the only very very bad thing that happened either - the conquest for living space would be major even if genocide of Jews did not happened.

In this case, OP likely refers to false impression that the conquest was going well while it was already lost.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by sva_ »

watwut wrote: post #56
gilrain wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my school, it was the genocide that was emphasized as the terrible thing, not the military strategy.

More then one bad things can happen at the same time. The genocide was not the only very very bad thing that happened either - the conquest for living space would be major even if genocide of Jews did not happened. In this case, OP likely refers to false impression that the conquest was going well while it was already lost.

> In this case, OP likely refers to false impression that the conquest was going well while it was already lost.

That is exactly what I was referring to. I should've been more clear.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by watwut »

ceejayoz wrote: post #32
watwut wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wont be reading this. Russia is informationally closed and now it became crime to spread "disinformation about war". This would likely fall in that category (regardless of whether true or not). Also, Russian soldiers are dying too. It is fair to guess they are more likely to die then become POW.

North Koreans manage to get DVDs of Marvel movies. The Russians will manage - they’ve still got actual access to the Internet.

> North Koreans manage to get DVDs of Marvel movies

It is not like average north Korean would routinely watched Marvel movies.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by acdha »

dannyw wrote: post #37
acdha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Come on, you literally think the Central Intelligence Agency, the poster child for psy-ops, is not doing psy-ops right now??? That's like saying there's no evidence the NSA has saved this exact message in Xkeyscore.

Them doing anything is not the same as them doing everything, as claimed. This shows every sign of being a lot of organic activity and the Ukrainian government – unsurprising as they have entire groups whose job it is to do this and more people who are mother-tongue fluent in Russian.

This illustrates the danger of conspiracy theory thinking: you’ve got yourself arguing a more complicated explanation with absolutely no evidence, and if we’re going by institutional reputations as portrayed by Hollywood wouldn’t the same logic have lead you to expect a massive Russian counter-campaign?

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by acdha »

baq wrote: post #40
acdha wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

They do. But if you believe they don't get help from western intelligence agencies, you're looking the other way.

Help is not “running”. I’d want some evidence at all for that, especially given how quickly this happened.
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