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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Absolutely right. Bombs and all, NATO baaad. On the flip side, I'll leave this here, to bring back a bit of perspective. Especially on the "let live" part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

One atrocity justifies another type of logic?

Genocidal atrocities justify defense, type of logic. HTH!

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Are you seriously suggesting that the problem with Western policy towards Russia is that we didn’t appease Putin enough? That is, to say the least, a weird take.

I mean, it's exactly the take of the Russian government and it's various Western propaganda repeaters, so it's rather common.

Common, sure, but that doesn't make the "take" itself any less weird.

The only weird thing is that so many Westerners thoughtlessly regurgitate it.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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I didn't want to imply that we are doing anything meaningful, just that we at the very least don't condone what's happening. Many are running the hell away from Russia and that's something the government has already got concerned about. Unlike the letter.

The iron curtain was never about keeping people out, it was about keeping people in .

Yes, my fear is that we are moving into 1990s economically, and politically into the times of the USSR.

For now they are promising tax benefits for programmers and IT-companies, cheap mortgage and safety from being conscripted. The last one is scary.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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The iron curtain was never about keeping people out, it was about keeping people in .

Yes, my fear is that we are moving into 1990s economically, and politically into the times of the USSR. For now they are promising tax benefits for programmers and IT-companies, cheap mortgage and safety from being conscripted. The last one is scary.

The exact same happened just before the wall fell in other former USSR countries. Anything to keep the smart people from joining the protests because they needed them badly to keep the country running. In most places that did not work, the writing was on the wall. But it took a long time for it to go from protests to the final effect. Longer than I fear we have today.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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You're not really allowed to mention this, nor are you allowed to note that the current Ukraine government is an illegitimate installation by FVEY IC in 2014, after the democratically elected one was overthrown. Also best not to point out that very large contingents of the defenders are actual literal Nazis. Our marching orders from our media betters are to uncritically root for Ukraine, so that's what we'll do.

Can you provide proof about the Nazi claim?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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My interpretation is that Russia has changed even if Putin withdraws tomorrow and tries to revert things back to where they were a few months ago. The response from the West has been severe enough that it will take years for business relationships to be rebuilt. In that time, Russia would most likely form closer ties with China. This will mean the West will lose any leverage they previously had on their kleptocratic…

China won't be interested in propping up Russia. There's nothing in it for them.

They're a cheap source of several resources - wheat, oil, gas - and China probably doesn't want to bother owning all of Siberia.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_III

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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"We" did not escalate this; Russia did by annexing Crimea in 2014 and invading Ukraine. They could have chosen not to do so and instead focus on building up good international relationships. What did they think they had to gain from annexing neighbouring territory? More control over the Black Sea I guess, but why do they want that control in the first place? Russia can de-escalate by withdrawing. The only way for 'th…

We also have to understand Russia's grievances instead of seeing it in terms of an evil side attacking the good side because it's not that simple. The US would hardly be best pleased if Mexico started receiving arms from China and North Korea right at its border.

And Russia has to understand europe's grievances. You can't invade europe and hope it won't react accordingly.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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It's not a troll account. It's a throw away account because you can't trust people these days to not go after your company/family/reputation because you hold an unpopular opinion. I am not 'trolling' anyone here. In a few days I'll be back to using a regular sn here, and you'll like me as much as you used to.

No identity, no stakes, no reason to believe you. Put your reputation on the line if you want your opinions to be treated as anything other than computer-generated noise.

You dont have to believe me, when all I do is ask a question. If your position is so weak you can't answer the question well, that's a problem and not simply proof that I'm a "troll".
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