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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by didymospl »

jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

Exactly. But this is because many Russians don't understand the concept of agency when it comes to nations. Plus, they think their motherland is the best place on earth. This even applies to the highly-educated individuals e.g. during the war in Donbas in 2014, I had some Russian-born expats coworkers who were genuinely convinced that a) both NATO and EU enlargements in Eastern Europe were CIA's ploys, against "common people will" and b) Russia had nothing to do with that war, it was just people rioting against Ukraine's pro-western politics.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by mkr-hn »

Yoric wrote: post #371
MrDisposable wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the "target" understands that perfectly well, and has already taken all necessary countermeasures.

The way I read the GP is "As usual, if you're Jewish, be careful because they're going to deflect blame towards you. Expect lynch mobs." (feel free to replace Jewish with another minority, it's probably also true) If my understanding is correct, I agree with GP. My understanding of Russian history suggests that Russian politics 101, throughout the regimes, has been to pick (and murder) scapegoats during crises. If yo…

Yep. I've had Berlin on mind and the way it was fairly tolerant pre-WW2. It had the era's equivalent of a queer center. All burned in that famous book burning photo that, until recently, rarely had that context.[0] The person who ran it was Jewish and gay, so he probably gave people at his institute this same warning early on. I know Russia has some nasty laws on the books, but I assume international cities there are like international cities anywhere. And that can turn real quick when people start looking for someone to blame.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by drran »

usrusr wrote: post #708
drran wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what do you mean they are "explicitly neo-Nazi"? Just looks at their crimes at Wikipedia: > On 11 August, Azov battalion, backed by Ukrainian paratroopers, captured Marinka from pro-Russian rebels and entered the suburbs of Donetsk clashing with Donetsk People's Republic fighters. They're killing Russians. > In early September 2014, the Azov battalion was engaged in the Second Battle of Mariupol. Regarding the ceas…

Nobody believes Russians these days. For good reason. Have you forgotten all the lies served by Putin in the run-up to the invasion? Those weren't "clever ruses", those were lies as crude as those of a preschooler who has just discovered that you can say counterfactual things. They kill Russians: yes, that's what happens in a war. There has been a war for eight years. Nothing you wrote is the tiniest evidence that th…

> Doesn't change the fact though that they certainly are self-identifying Nazi, in a sad perversion of "the enemy of the enemy is my friend"

Are you member of Azov regiment or know them personally? If not, then list your arguments, please.

For Russians, anybody who is strong and against RF (or is ally of US) is Nazi, including Jews. It's like a gold medal for the enemy of RF.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by eps »

blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

An exhaustive list of visa options for IT/startup people - https://habr.com/ru/post/653587 (from few days ago, in Russian)

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by mkr-hn »

the_duke wrote: post #580
mkr-hn wrote: post #8

Folks really underestimate how many economic chokepoints there are if the right people feel threatened. I think and hope most Russians know who to blame, but it only takes one person misdirecting their rage to end your life if you're there and look like a target.

True, but heavy sanctions haven't been able to destroy Irans economy. After a harsh adjustment period and an initially tanking economy the systems will adjust. And China will probably welcome Russian business with open arms.

Russia is the fallback for many countries facing sanctions. Who does Russia turn to that wasn't taken off guard by the invasion and the swiftness and unity of Europe's response? China might have helped in another limited land grab like Crimea. Putin recognizing independent states doesn't align with the desire to reintegrate its own breakaway states into China, so they might not want to help.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

kungito wrote: post #206
teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

There have been multiple active wars in like 1/4 of the world the whole time since ww2 and all the time before that. The only thing different is that Ukraine is closer to EU than the rest of the countries.

I'm never sure how to take these comments.

Are you saying Ukraine is no big deal and anyone complaining about it should shut up, or are you saying it's a shame that people didn't take the other wars more seriously?

Either way, you should be more specific in your complaint so people can disagree or not, without having to guess what you mean and inadvertantly assume you're pro-invasion and trying to undermine the global response to it.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by robert_foss »

dmitrygr wrote: post #190
robert_foss wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To do nothing is to be complicit. Your taxes paid for this.

My taxes paid for this? I am an American citizen living in USA

Ah, I assumed you meant you were living in Russia.

Either way you have connections to actual Russians, now is the time to use them.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by leereeves »

koonsolo wrote: post #769
bigboiseal wrote: post #766

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> The Ukrainians clearly made their decision. Now it's up to the Russian people to make theirs. Russia is a non-democratic country...

Ukraine was also a non-democratic country, until the people decided otherwise. And yes, it was pretty brutal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

> Ukraine was also a non-democratic country, until the people decided otherwise

That's not true. The President of Ukraine who was overthrown in 2014 (Yanukovych) was democratically elected in 2010 in an election that international observers called fair, truly competitive, and an impressive display of democracy.[1]

That President was supported mostly by the people of eastern Ukraine and opposed by the people of western Ukraine.

1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukov...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by philjohn »

teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

If we're going with Star Trek, I think the more likely of the possibilities is that we're more similar to the Terran Empire timeline, sadly.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by gdy »

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #756
gdy wrote: post #508

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Dmytro, I'm Russian living in Russia and I'm devastated and terrified by this war of aggression. I have friends in Ukraine and I can hear siren wailing while talking with them via Skype. There are already about 30 thousand members of Russian IT-industry who signed open letter against this war. Yesterday it was about 20 thousands. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rSmclqedrhTASIsyXLOz39pU...

I really appreciate your position, but the letter is incredibly weak. I understand that it's aimed at government that won't read it otherwise, but: You call it "operation", it's not operation, it's war. You ask to prevent human casualties, but thousands are already dead. A lot of people signing from companies such as Yandex - a search engine that promotes propaganda and hides evidence-based journalism. From VK - a so…

I didn't want to imply that we are doing anything meaningful, just that we at the very least don't condone what's happening.

Many are running the hell away from Russia and that's something the government has already got concerned about. Unlike the letter.

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