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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by cf141q5325 »

piker wrote: post #512
MrDisposable wrote: post #24

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> "incorporation in an EU country" Illegal, due to the "КИК" law, and, if I remember correctly, punishable by a heavy yearly fine (about $50K ath the current exchange rate). > "Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking" Outgoing transfers to foreign banks and electronic money institutions are now illegal, due to the yesterday's order that forbids Russian residents to transfer money to their o…

> Outgoing transfers to foreign banks and electronic money institutions are now illegal, due to the yesterday's order that forbids Russian residents to transfer money to their own accounts abroad. Break this law if you can. Weigh the probability of being prosecuted in the mass of others breaking these laws versus the probability of facing real hardship from the economic sanctions. Doubly true if you have a family you…

With the focus on "IF YOU CAN". Dont do something stupid. If you break any laws be very very sure about what the consequences can be and how you protect yourself from that. Put bluntly, dont be a blindly gambling idiot.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by rightbyte »

dragonwriter wrote: post #637
rightbyte wrote: post #591

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This is way worse than Georgia, Krim and Chechnya combined. Ukraine is a big country with a big army. The stakes Russia are putting in are big and shows the commitment with the pretense of being cornered. It is a full invasion. Also the NATO and EU military support in what Russia sees as their business is escalating the risks. This is probably two magnitudes worse concerning the risk for further spread.

The size of the target country is somewhat less significant to me than the explicit justification for the war involving invocation of a set of translations and transpositions of the whole set of Nazi expansionist arguments ( lebensraum , Volksgemeinschaft , and Blut and Boden ), with a twist on the Dolchstoßlegende mixed in.

Writing it in german does not change that those concept are fundamental for alot of border disputes.

The pretense is not what is interesting but the sheer size of the endeavour.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

hugojaba wrote: post #690
aiProgMach wrote: post #481

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Even when you're admitting that "US did a lot of warmongering in the middle east" you want to give them some excuses, "I get that they wanted to retaliate after 9/11" you say? "retaliate" you say. Against whom exactly? How the (oppressed) Iraqi people or even Saddam Hussein has to do anything with the 9/11? Do I really need to remind you that Saddam was US ally? or that Qaeda was the US ally in the "freedom" war agai…

Honestly, the middle east could have gotten better, there was a possibility that the dictatorships would get replaced by proper democracy, I think the US didn't realize how far down corruption and authoritarianism were rooted in those countries, it is like a Hydra, cut one head, many more grew. For example, Panama, Chile, Germany, Japan, South Korea all turned out better after US intervention. But Afghanistan, Iraq a…

> South Korea

Just so you know, there used to be a single Korea. One of them is doing OK now, although it took like 35 years after the US invaded before SK transformed itself into a democratic country, which Koreans did IN SPITE of American support for their dictator. The other one is possibly the worst regime currently active on Earth.

South Korea is really not an American FP win.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by OJFord »

MauranKilom wrote: post #410
OJFord wrote: post #285

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They did, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

> An agreement was quickly reached on Hitler's terms > Shortly afterwards, Hitler reneged on his solemn promises to respect the integrity of Czechoslovakia > Today, the Munich Agreement is widely regarded as a failed act of appeasement, and the term has become "a byword for the futility of appeasing expansionist totalitarian states". Giving in to the demands of the aggressor may "stop" the war for the time being, yes…

Surely it's obvious in talking about the second world war that it didn't work? I'm not holding it up as some sort of exemplary negotiation. I was just saying Actually yes, they did try.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by zelphirkalt »

tuukkah wrote: post #674
_abox wrote: post #341

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He basically aims to reinstate the Soviet Union "glory" days so reinstating the iron curtain isn't a big stretch... I still hope this can be settled. If Ukraine gives up the areas that were basically constant civil war anyway... Continued escalation is to nobody's benefit. I don't think the Russian population wants this war either. PS for what it's worth I also was really opposed to my own country helping the US to i…

It was never a civil war; from the beginning, it was a Russian invasion implemented partially with some locals as a proxy.

And for more info lookup "little green men" on Crimea and the history of trying to transfer Russian population to the region. This video was linked in some other comment (although on youtube) and I found it interesting: https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=nK-yJD_fAtk

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by diiiimaaaa »

gdy wrote: post #508
diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

Dmytro, I'm Russian living in Russia and I'm devastated and terrified by this war of aggression. I have friends in Ukraine and I can hear siren wailing while talking with them via Skype. There are already about 30 thousand members of Russian IT-industry who signed open letter against this war. Yesterday it was about 20 thousands. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rSmclqedrhTASIsyXLOz39pU...

I really appreciate your position, but the letter is incredibly weak. I understand that it's aimed at government that won't read it otherwise, but:

You call it "operation", it's not operation, it's war.

You ask to prevent human casualties, but thousands are already dead.

A lot of people signing from companies such as Yandex - a search engine that promotes propaganda and hides evidence-based journalism. From VK - a social network that bans opposition communities and spreads misinformation. You can't have it both ways folks.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pydry »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #610
ceilingcorner wrote: post #502

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It is really distressing, not only because it’s ethically wrong to blame groups of people for individual actions, but also because it’s pragmatically against the interests of the West. We gain nothing by escalating this.

Pragmatically I am pretty sure the western logic goes like this. Sanctions will cause economic damage which will lead to misery which will lead to unrest and finally the toppling of the regime. This worked in the 20th century but took like 50 years, and as we can see now the resulting regime is not much better for the west, but I don't think there are any better options. The other approach see China is also slowly bl…

Pragmatically I think the western military logic is that sacrificing Ukraine to Russia is entirely worthwhile if it breaks Russia too.

They want Russia out of the way so that they can focus on taking down China. Most of all they want to avoid a Russia-China military alliance.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jimmydorry »

armada651 wrote: post #685
eftychis wrote: post #571

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Georgia and Ukraine are tightly connected in this through the same precursor events. The "West" is simply deaf. Multiple analysts had brought these concerns since before Crimea. (Disclaimer I am from the West -- trying to be objective here and focusing on the non-NATO side.) The diplomatic relationships since Russia Federation's birth have been problematic and idiosyncratic. Russian people wanted recognition of their…

I've watched the Pozner video before, but I would be highly skeptical. Vladimir Pozner is a former KGB propagandist according to his own admission. Thus he has quite a good understanding about effective propaganda: "Intelligent propaganda is not a propaganda that tells blatant lies. It's something where you try to show the good side of what your [sic] supporting and you don't tell about the negatives, you only tell a…

Russia's attempts to join NATO pre-date 2009 by more than a decade. By 2009 it was clear that it would not be allowed into NATO, no matter what they did.

Here is the first google result from before 2008 [1]. Anyone paying attention in the 90s will recall when Russia was signalling a renewed interest in joining NATO.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/06/p...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by stickfigure »

CyberSimon wrote: post #567

Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? I know some Russians that are wholly against their Government's actions. I hope some provisions are being made to allow those who wish escape to do so...

This is an opportunity that The West is probably going to miss for ideological reasons. We should accept Russian engineers, scientists, doctors. Don't forget that during the Soviet era, they had to build walls to keep their intellectual capital from leaving. Take them!

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by d0mine »

zhdc1 wrote: post #688
d0mine wrote: post #608

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This reminds how europeans justified slavery: "they are barbarians. We are making them a favor by owning them. We give them civilization" btw, russians are officially considered colored in US as I understand.

> btw, russians are officially considered colored in US as I understand. As far as I'm aware, Russians were never subject to Jim Crowe laws. There was, however, a significant surge in discrimination against Slavic (mainly Polish) immigrants in the early 20th century. See "The Polish Peasant in Europe & America" by Thomas & Znaniecki, which is considered to be one of the foundational texts in modern sociology. That, h…

I'm talking about the recent (2010s) legislation. I don't remember the exact name and google is useless.
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