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Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

rosndo wrote: post #86
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But russia has to stop nato somewhere... it was too weak to do it with the baltics, and it's doing that now. USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen. They did start many other wars in the meantime, mostly on the other side of the world.

Nato is a defensive alliance, why exactly does Russia need to stop it? NATO would never attack Russia, a nuclear power capable of ending the world as we know it. > USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen This is a really weird way to write “USA decided not to fight a war with Cuba”, everybody makes all kinds of plans.

Look... i live in the balkans... i had nato planes flying over my head, bombing a country And there's a difference between a "lets prepare, just in case if cuba attacks" and "let's make a false flag attack, and kill our own people, so we can attack cuba".

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by tomerv »

nnx wrote: post #84
scandox wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going by history sanctions do tend to entrench authoritarian rulers. I still think there isn't any choice. He used the "Nuclear" word and now I think Europe's policy will be containment for a very long time. Edit: added "be"

> I still think there isn't any choice I don't think we tried to push for Ukraine as neutral state, like Finland, did we? Does EU/NATO really NEED Ukraine to join them? Seems like it would be a simple peaceful discussion worth having rather than risking more suffering. Discussion might not work... but the fact it's not even on the table is absolutely insane.

The "Ukraine as a neutral state" angle sounded plausible maybe 5 years ago. But the fact is that Putin started a war despite no significant recent change in Ukraine's relationship with NATO or EU.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

#93

Post by coldtea »

rosndo wrote: post #86
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But russia has to stop nato somewhere... it was too weak to do it with the baltics, and it's doing that now. USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen. They did start many other wars in the meantime, mostly on the other side of the world.

Nato is a defensive alliance, why exactly does Russia need to stop it? NATO would never attack Russia, a nuclear power capable of ending the world as we know it. > USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen This is a really weird way to write “USA decided not to fight a war with Cuba”, everybody makes all kinds of plans.

>Nato is a defensive alliance

Well, for a defensive alliance it sure has been on the offensive for the best part of 50 years

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

#94

Post by glogla »

nnx wrote: post #84
scandox wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going by history sanctions do tend to entrench authoritarian rulers. I still think there isn't any choice. He used the "Nuclear" word and now I think Europe's policy will be containment for a very long time. Edit: added "be"

> I still think there isn't any choice I don't think we tried to push for Ukraine as neutral state, like Finland, did we? Does EU/NATO really NEED Ukraine to join them? Seems like it would be a simple peaceful discussion worth having rather than risking more suffering. Discussion might not work... but the fact it's not even on the table is absolutely insane.

It is not on the table because appeasement of dictators don't work.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by rosndo »

coldtea wrote: post #93
rosndo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nato is a defensive alliance, why exactly does Russia need to stop it? NATO would never attack Russia, a nuclear power capable of ending the world as we know it. > USA definitely had the plan for a war with cuba, but it luckily didn't happen This is a really weird way to write “USA decided not to fight a war with Cuba”, everybody makes all kinds of plans.

> Nato is a defensive alliance Well, for a defensive alliance it sure has been on the offensive for the best part of 50 years

Even if you disagree about that, could you really imagine NATO attacking Russia?

E: Unfortunately can’t reply below because of HN throttling, but yes, a month ago I moved several of my employees out of Ukraine because of Russian troop buildup on the border.

Wars don’t start overnight, everyone who hadn’t buried their head in sand knew this was a likely outcome.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

#96

Post by dragonwriter »

tomerv wrote: post #92
nnx wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still think there isn't any choice I don't think we tried to push for Ukraine as neutral state, like Finland, did we? Does EU/NATO really NEED Ukraine to join them? Seems like it would be a simple peaceful discussion worth having rather than risking more suffering. Discussion might not work... but the fact it's not even on the table is absolutely insane.

The "Ukraine as a neutral state" angle sounded plausible maybe 5 years ago. But the fact is that Putin started a war despite no significant recent change in Ukraine's relationship with NATO or EU.

> The "Ukraine as a neutral state" angle sounded plausible maybe 5 years ago. But the fact is that Putin started a war despite no significant recent change in Ukraine's relationship with NATO or EU.

Escalated an existing war that has lasted more than 5 years, and which certain NATO members have been very clear is why Ukraine wasn't being allowed to advance in its quest for membership.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

rosndo wrote: post #95
coldtea wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nato is a defensive alliance Well, for a defensive alliance it sure has been on the offensive for the best part of 50 years

Even if you disagree about that, could you really imagine NATO attacking Russia? E: Unfortunately can’t reply below because of HN throttling, but yes, a month ago I moved several of my employees out of Ukraine because of Russian troop buildup on the border. Wars don’t start overnight, everyone who hadn’t buried their head in sand knew this was a likely outcome.

Could you really imagine russia attacking ukraine a month ago?

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

#98

Post by Maakuth »

nnx wrote: post #84
scandox wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going by history sanctions do tend to entrench authoritarian rulers. I still think there isn't any choice. He used the "Nuclear" word and now I think Europe's policy will be containment for a very long time. Edit: added "be"

> I still think there isn't any choice I don't think we tried to push for Ukraine as neutral state, like Finland, did we? Does EU/NATO really NEED Ukraine to join them? Seems like it would be a simple peaceful discussion worth having rather than risking more suffering. Discussion might not work... but the fact it's not even on the table is absolutely insane.

Hear it from the former Finnish PM, Finland is not neutral, even though we were forced to be during the cold war: https://mobile.twitter.com/alexstubb/status/1497619756760895...

During this period, our politics underwent 'Finlandization', basically giving USSR veto powers over our internal policies. It probably was a necessity to avoid an invasion, but certainly nothing you'd recommend to anyone.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by forgingahead »

marius_k wrote: post #90
marius_k wrote: post #70

Ask HN: Is it possible to create counter-terrorist consensus on blockchain? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30510973

I see downvotes are coming. I am sorry for spamming it here. I just feel desperate to do something.

You seem like a kind soul and the horrible situation is undoubtedly having an effect on you. That said, the best thing to do is to write to your government representative to request they support a de-escalation of this situation, and then switch off the news and social media.

Unfortunately, the war machine is in overdrive and lots of wicked parties are using media propaganda to escalate emotions amongst people. The only outcome of this high temperature is more war and suffering for all, which again benefits the wicked parties (military corporations and others), while regular people everywhere will suffer.

So write to your government, turn off the media, and if you believe, pray for peace. That is the best way to help.

Re: Visa, Mastercard block Russian financial institutions after sanctions

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Post by glogla »

kirso wrote: post #72

Just talked about this today with a few of my Russian friends. This only prompts Putin ratings to grow. It frustrates the opposition (30% of Russians). But it also makes the supporters hate the west even more. So if all these sanctions are there to frustrate people to create a coup and a revolution - its currently working in the opposite direction. EDIT: I don't mean it as something that I wish, just stating an opini…

The Russians are keeping Putin in power. If sanctions motivate them to do something about him, good. If they just serve as punishment for supporting that monster, good enough.
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