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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by darawk »

jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

I don't entirely disagree but I think a slightly better framing is: It's not their fault, but it is their responsibility. Putin is a problem for the world, and it's a problem that can only be properly solved by the Russian people. Unfortunately, that means whether they deserve it or not, they are the group to whom pressure needs to be applied.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pydry »

ogogmad wrote: post #254
teekert wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I realize it is perhaps hypocritical, but somehow I thought we had figured it out. I mean we (EU and US) also could have done more talking less warmongering. I’m also disappointed with our leaders.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war.

It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by eps »

jdrc wrote: post #235
anovikov wrote: post #176

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Russian here. This is not misinformation or anything. This is just because yes, vast majority of Russians from all walks of life are pure evil. Even those living in the Western countries for decades. I have deleted myself from all social networks 5 years ago and people keep sending me screenshots from Russian facebook groups in Cyprus and that makes me freak out. Nearly everyone is pro-Putin. Ridiculous posts get hun…

this is becoming a theme with immigrant communities, in a similar vein how german Turks are supportive of Erdogan. I'm sure those people are not evil, but this phenomenon is worthy of investigation.

Back when I lived in Canada and had some exposure to some of local Russian communities, it was bloody obvious that there was a concentrated Russian government effort to manipulate and control their opinion.

All online spots - forums, bbses, etc. - had at least one troll reposting from the offical news. More places than one had these as mods or admins. Agitating and stirring the pot was a daily occurence, which was quite effecient given that migrant communities tends to comprise people that aren't exactly well off and generally happy with life. To give an example - people discussing faking a divorce to double their unemployment benefits, that sort of thing. So given them an outlet to vent was working well. Conversely, those who were better established steered clear of these and formed smaller clusters of their own.

So what the GP is experiencing is likely related to them being (originally) a part of one of these poorer bubbles and the effect just lingers on.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 0x138d5 »

alangibson wrote: post #183
namecheapTA wrote: post #23

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> Do you feel this way about American companies as well, or only when convenient? Reply to all those saying this is not whataboutism: The question as posed has no value and is meant only to obscure the issue at hand. Here are some critical questions that would have been worth asking: - Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion. Why aren't you citizens of Western democracies doing something to keep your gov…

Not gonna argue on that whataboutism part buuut....

>Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion.

The successor to the occupying CCCP, that did wildly shady stuff all over the Caucasus, invaded Georgia, supported a rebellion in Donbas, annexed Crimea and invaded a corrupt but nonetheless somewhat democratic Ukraine using GRAD strikes against cities has a legitimate gripe over countries WILLINGLY joining a defensive pact.

Don't get me wrong, NATOs involvement in MENA was/is pointless and counterproductive, even criminal, but it's a voluntary alliance.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by OJFord »

ogogmad wrote: post #254
teekert wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I realize it is perhaps hypocritical, but somehow I thought we had figured it out. I mean we (EU and US) also could have done more talking less warmongering. I’m also disappointed with our leaders.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

They did, yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by codebolt »

throwawayvibes wrote: post #170
codebolt wrote: post #131

I'm guessing I can't rely on the Kaspersky software I have on my phones to stay in service. It's a shame, SafeKids has really been helpful in monitoring my kids.

Why do you monitor your kids?

Very helpful to control their apps and give them a daily screen time allowance (1 hour on weekdays, 2 hours in weekend). I don't like the idea of my 11 year old spending days and nights on e.g. TikTok, not to mention browsing for porn. Also useful to have the ability to see where they are, although I don't use this feature too much.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by chitowneats »

teekert wrote: post #234
kungito wrote: post #206

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There have been multiple active wars in like 1/4 of the world the whole time since ww2 and all the time before that. The only thing different is that Ukraine is closer to EU than the rest of the countries.

Yes I realize it is perhaps hypocritical, but somehow I thought we had figured it out. I mean we (EU and US) also could have done more talking less warmongering. I’m also disappointed with our leaders.

What exactly did we have figured out? Perhaps I see things differently as someone in my mid-30's but we've been at war almost my entire life.

Iraq and Syria were obliterated. Afghanistan didn't fare much better and was the longest war in U.S history.

Russia has been killing people in its so-called "sphere of influence" my entire life as well. Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine.

Parts of Africa, such as the Congo and Somalia, have been de-facto war zones for decades.

I don't mean to sound harsh but your comment about humanity, or even certain cross-sections of it, having somehow transcended war, strikes me as naive and in denial of what the "post war" (as in post-WWII) era has actually been like.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by teekert »

ogogmad wrote: post #254
teekert wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I realize it is perhaps hypocritical, but somehow I thought we had figured it out. I mean we (EU and US) also could have done more talking less warmongering. I’m also disappointed with our leaders.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Again I feel like anything I say is just some dude talking from a safe place far from the front lines. But I think the west could have acknowledged the fear of the NATO, the EU could have told Biden that we prefer a good relation with Russia and that if we think our culture is in fact more free, it will leak into Russia via the internet. This discussion can and will take very long. I just wanted to say I’m disappointed in almost all aspects of the situation and humanity is suffering and it hurts. Us against them is not constructive. Much hate will be created and we know what hate leads to from yet another popular franchise. It takes a long time to extinguish.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by randomsearch »

namelosw wrote: post #243
randomsearch wrote: post #47

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Well, intervention in Yugoslavia wasn’t a war started by the US. The Kuwait war was after an invasion by Iraq and at the invitation of the government there, and the US were restrained enough to halt at the Iraq border. The Syrian war was not started by the US, and it has played a minor part there. In fact, it is Russia that has indiscriminately bombed Syrian cities and targeted civilians and hospitals there. Afghanis…

> Hussein was a brutal dictator and, at least initially, Americans were welcomed as liberators If the US attack Belarus with an unjustified casus belli like in the Iraq war, it would still be a huge deal just like the current war in Ukraine - despite everybody knowing Lukashenko is also a dictator. The elephant in the room & the key difference between Iraq and Ukraine: There are substantially more people in the West…

I agree there would be an similar outcry, but think it’s more to do with location than ethnicity.
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