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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by danuker »

5ESS wrote: post #185
diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

How are sanctions going to make anybody more informed? They dont…That makes no sense. Instead of sanctions, a more effective strategy would be to provide Russians with free VPNs so that they can access western news media.

You can host a Tor bridge for friends, which is difficult to detect and block:

https://tb-manual.torproject.org/bridges/

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by tpm »

freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

This is no anti-Rusian trope, this is the result of economic sanctions which Apple/Google and everyone else must obey.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by noduerme »

teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

It's how you raise your kids. It's not how everyone raised their kids, and we only pretend we can solve everything with dialog and ignore the heritage of violence at our own peril. Putin outright said he was sick of the west talking endlessly. He also said there was no reason for the world to exist without Russia and himself as the leader of it. The more post-violence a civilization gets, the more it's prone to total shock when confronted with barbarism and violence. If we survive this, it's important that the millennials generation experienced it. It will hold off our own collapse into nihilistic defeatism for another generation or two.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by newaccount74 »

dmitrygr wrote: post #174
diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

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What's the alternative to sanctions? Diplomatic attempts to convince Russia not to attack the Ukraine have failed.

Sending troops to Ukraine to stop the invasion would quickly escalate the war and hurt a lot more people than economic sanctions.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ajuc »

5ESS wrote: post #185
diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

How are sanctions going to make anybody more informed? They dont…That makes no sense. Instead of sanctions, a more effective strategy would be to provide Russians with free VPNs so that they can access western news media.

I talk with Russians on several international forums (about architecture and about gaming). Thousands of people there, a big sample. That's the younger, English-speaking generation, BTW.

They believe in the propaganda mostly, celebrate the victories over "nazis" and support Putin.

What happened after Crimea annexation was appealing, and now it's even worse. It's a society brainwashed into imperialism and they want return of Russia as a global power and revenge on the west.

There are some exceptions, but they are rare. Possibly because of fear, I don't know.

They have western media and had for decades. They don't care, it's all lies for them. Also they have almost no influence over what happens. They barely protest and elections are a farce.

So - sanctions aren't targeted at regular Russians. They target the oligarchs that actually run everything in Russia. Regular Russians are hit by collateral damage, and it will be very harsh collateral damage. But I have no sympathy when I hear from my friends in Ukraine hiding in Kyiv metro for the whole weekend and having no contact with their families in shelled towns.

Ultimately the responsibility towards victims of war is more important than unemployed people in invading country.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by thejackgoode »

freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

Every Russian passport holding person is responsible for this conflict. The sooner they understand this, the more country remaining they will have when this will end

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by cuteboy19 »

freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

FAANGs are not actively invading another country based on nonsensical reasons

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by sokols »

darebak wrote: post #112
nickpp wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Motives matter too. Bombing of Serbia was to stop a bellicose regime and the humanitarian crisis it was creating. It was like bombing Russia right now, which I'd support fully hearted, if it was a possibility.

It was not. Serbia was establishing order within its territory when NATO bombed it without any approval from the UN, basically doing something just because they could. Remind you of anyone?

Saying that Serbia was establishing order within its territory is a bit cynical take. What they did is that they systematically[1] cleansed villages and settlements in order to decrease the percentage of Albanian population in Kosovo.

In a way, they were implementing a century old policy of a guy named Vaso Cubrilovic who argued that Albanians should be expelled[2] from the lands Serbia (precursor of Yugoslavia) took in 1913.

What NATO did, is stopping exactly this from happening.

[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2001/10/26/under-orders/war-crime...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expulsion_of_the_Albania...

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