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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ardit33 »

darebak wrote: post #64
randomsearch wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, intervention in Yugoslavia wasn’t a war started by the US. The Kuwait war was after an invasion by Iraq and at the invitation of the government there, and the US were restrained enough to halt at the Iraq border. The Syrian war was not started by the US, and it has played a minor part there. In fact, it is Russia that has indiscriminately bombed Syrian cities and targeted civilians and hospitals there. Afghanis…

>By far the biggest difference here, I think, is that by being a European war and through the potential for further conflict and nuclear conflict, this war has far larger international ramifications and strategic risks attached to it. To see European cities bombed is to be reminded of what has happened in the past and that it can happen again. That is why it is receiving so much attention. Bombing of Serbia was a bom…

Serbia did commit massive attrocities and genocide against both Bosnians and Albanians in Kosovo. They also had wars with Slovenia, and Croatia.

They last gesture was massive ethnic cleansing. The US intervened when things went out of hand.

Putin risks to end up like Milosevic, a war criminal.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by nickpp »

Svoka wrote: post #19

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I am afraid it's worse than that. Western oil and gas buyers paid for death and destruction of Ukraine. That means all of us. Our heating and gas money financed Russian military.

This is why it's so important right now to help Ukraine and hinder Putin.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dotancohen »

vasoolibhai wrote: post #13

How will this affect Jetbrains ?

Jetbrains is Czech. They have lots of Russian developers, but that is an internal matter to them. It won't affect you or my use of Jetbrains products, but it will likely affect how quickly new features and bug fixes are deployed.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by shaolinspirit »

mythz wrote: post #53
vasoolibhai wrote: post #13

How will this affect Jetbrains ?

JetBrains founders are Russian and have publicly condemned the attacks [1]. JetBrains does have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg but they're technically a Czech company with their head office in Prague, Czech Republic. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30459985

it is a full-scale war, there are no "attacks"

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by feoren »

MrDisposable wrote: post #37
gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…

> It's we Russians who are fucked for the rest of our lives.

Most of the world knows that most Russian civilians are also just victims of Putin and a corrupt system. I really hope there's a solution here, where after this is all over, Putin and his buddies can be executed for war crimes and the West can help both the Ukrainians and the Russians rebuild. Ironically the solution in Russia might actually come from Ukraine: it seems like they were able to really deeply root out corruption in their country, with help, in the early 2010s. Maybe after Putin is gone, we can somehow use the same strategy in Russia? I know the scale is completely different, but I'm a hopeless optimist.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jsmith99 »

randomsearch wrote: post #47
gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

Well, intervention in Yugoslavia wasn’t a war started by the US. The Kuwait war was after an invasion by Iraq and at the invitation of the government there, and the US were restrained enough to halt at the Iraq border. The Syrian war was not started by the US, and it has played a minor part there. In fact, it is Russia that has indiscriminately bombed Syrian cities and targeted civilians and hospitals there. Afghanis…

The Iraq war was a terrible error but it still can't be compared to Ukraine. America had no plans to colonise Iraq or absorb it into its empire. Despite the enormous death and suffering the war caused, America's aim was naive altruism: getting rid of an unquestionably evil dictator who used WMDs on his own people. There are conspiracy theories that America invaded to steal Iraq's oil but they are not plausible.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by doctor_eval »

MrDisposable wrote: post #37
gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…

If Ukraine survives and the war ends in peace, I sincerely wish for a version of some kind of Marshall plan for Russia.

Unfortunately, given the current state of world politics, I am afraid we will instead get a new version of Treaty of Versailles. In which case you will be right.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dotancohen »

randomsearch wrote: post #47
gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

Well, intervention in Yugoslavia wasn’t a war started by the US. The Kuwait war was after an invasion by Iraq and at the invitation of the government there, and the US were restrained enough to halt at the Iraq border. The Syrian war was not started by the US, and it has played a minor part there. In fact, it is Russia that has indiscriminately bombed Syrian cities and targeted civilians and hospitals there. Afghanis…

  > But even Iraq does seem different: Hussein was a brutal dictator and, at least initially, Americans were welcomed as liberators.
In some areas in Eastern Ukraine, the Russians have been suffering "genocide" (whatever that term has been redefined to mean, but obviously not systematic murder) and the Russian forces were welcomed as liberators.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by saiya-jin »

MrDisposable wrote: post #51
mkr-hn wrote: post #8

Folks really underestimate how many economic chokepoints there are if the right people feel threatened. I think and hope most Russians know who to blame, but it only takes one person misdirecting their rage to end your life if you're there and look like a target.

I'm sure the "target" understands that perfectly well, and has already taken all necessary countermeasures.

You meant all possible counter-measures given tools at hand, and that is in an ideal state when the aggressor is perfectly rational, very smart in planning and can hold their emotions in place.

Most if not all above is not valid right now about Putin and his clique.

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