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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by lwneal »

I was surprised by this, until I realized that one of Namecheap's offices is in downtown Kharkiv. Today, the Russian military bombed Kharkiv with cluster munitions [1]. Civilians were killed, possibly including children [2].

Given the severity of the situation, I'm surprised that Namecheap has not opted for more drastic measures- for example, redirecting Russian web traffic. Simply transferring Russian businesses to other providers might be among the less-drastic options they considered.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42F1V3AOq4&t=150s

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/28/kharkiv-rock...

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by effnamecheap »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #148
hereforphone wrote: post #133

If they're willing to terminate service for political reasons in this case, who's to say they won't do it in the future for other political reasons? Here begins the slippery slope of Namecheap terminating service to those it deems "wrong". Been a happy, confident Namecheap user for a long time. Now I'm not so confident.

This is a terrible attempt at slippery slope argumentation. Launching a major land war while pursuing nuclear escalation is a solid cliff above cancel culture.

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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by waffle_maniac »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #308
waffle_maniac wrote: post #290

Quoted post unavailable.

Because they don't want to be involved in operations in Russia, especially while having Ukranian employees. As the GGP points out, any transaction in Russia implicitly helps the government through taxes. They have put their morality and employees' above whatever business they got out of being in Russia.

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Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by _vtoj »

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #187
symbix wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that, and you're totally entitled to do this. And you're probably right that ends justify the means. And, probably, total damage will be worth it. But, in my insignificant personal case, I will be busy moving domains and paying for transfers instead of doing what I've been doing and spending money on what I've been spending it for the last 5 days, helping people detained and/or arrested for participating in ant…

Contact us, we'll make exceptions in cases like this. Thanks for what you are doing.

Dude, right now all of us are in deep shock, while:

- some are trying to find their relatives in Ukraine

- some are coordinating and volunteering

- some are trying to get themselves and their families outside of Russia (which gets harder by the minute because of prices and sanctions)

- some are trying to smuggle at least some of the money outside, because their entire life savings are now blocked

- some are trying to preserve what they have despite ruble and market crashing

- some are hunkering down with what they have and their loved ones, trying to stockpile some food before prices skyrocket

and no one has any time to cope and process anything - don't forget usual workloads, too. planning for a week feels like it's already a strategic, not a tactical scope

I get what you're trying to do, but can't you at least give more time for everyone? Right now I need to drop everything and migrate my DNS as well because my private email that I use for docs will stop working in 6 days. And to figure out how to pay the transfer fees while doing all that. It's very much fucking stressful already.

edit: I've worded that badly - I'm not complaining, I'm just asking for a bit longer grace period for everyone. It's very easy to miss an email for 6 days during these times. All of these issues are obviously dwarfed by what Ukrainian people are going through right now.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by mindslight »

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #187
symbix wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that, and you're totally entitled to do this. And you're probably right that ends justify the means. And, probably, total damage will be worth it. But, in my insignificant personal case, I will be busy moving domains and paying for transfers instead of doing what I've been doing and spending money on what I've been spending it for the last 5 days, helping people detained and/or arrested for participating in ant…

Contact us, we'll make exceptions in cases like this. Thanks for what you are doing.

When you're in a crisis situation, the last thing one needs is even more pressing things to get done. Especially ambiguous ones like writing some pleasant appeal to support, and hoping for understanding. And worrying that if support falls back to the large print policy, then having even less time to effect a transfer.

If you're serving the like of RT.com then redirect that to somewhere truthful yesterday, but turning the screws on individuals feeds right into Putin's censorship goals. At least consider moving your deadline back to something more graceful like 60 or even 30 days.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by aardshark »

NamecheapCEO wrote: post #42

We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support…

I find this action from Namecheap really lazy virtue signalling and your justifications to be hypocritical, for reasons pointed out elsewhere in this thread.

If you were really interested in attempting to do the right thing, you would ban on a case-by-case basis, or donate a percentage of your profits to the Red Cross in Ukraine or something. There's no justification for this heavy-handed nonsense.

I'll do my best to stay away from your company.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by mikeyouse »

alinaish wrote: post #231
risyachka wrote: post #184

I will respond to this one. It's good that you tried to fight the regime. Clearly it wasn't enough. You live in society, not in the woods. The majority decides how all live - like in any other country. In your country majority decided not to overthrow dictatorship. As result, minority suffers. So here is your answer.

So from your perspective it is ok to generalize and discriminate the minority? Sorry, but how are you better than Putin then?

How is he better than Putin? I think it’s safe to assume he never invaded a sovereign nation? (Or murdered any journalists, or shot down a passenger jet, or murdered political rivals, or bombed apartment blocks, or attacked foreign elections, or sponsored mercenary groups to overthrow African governments)

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by dragonwriter »

cheald wrote: post #305

I'm no fan of Putin or the Russian government's war, but I originally moved to Namecheap from GoDaddy over GoDaddy's support for SOPA. I want my registrar to be a registrar, not a political entity. Looks like I'll be looking for a new registrar to do business with going forward. The Russian government are the bad guys here - people who happen to be in Russia are not. I'm not gonna do business with a company that gutp…

> I want my registrar to be a registrar, not a political entity.

Corporations are creation of states through law, and thereby inherently political entities; further, they are mechanisms of the sponsoring stakeholders —ultimately, even if indirectly, flesh and blood human beings (stockholders in the typical capitalist business enterprise) to pursue their interests, which may usually be predominantly profit for business entities, but are rarely exclusively that, when the chips are down.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #308
waffle_maniac wrote: post #290

Quoted post unavailable.

Because they don't want to be involved in operations in Russia, especially while having Ukranian employees. As the GGP points out, any transaction in Russia implicitly helps the government through taxes. They have put their morality and employees' above whatever business they got out of being in Russia.

> helps the government through taxes

And legitimacy.

Re: Namecheap: Russia Service Termination

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Post by miohtama »

breakingcups wrote: post #256

Let me prefix this by saying I'm not Russian, I have no ties to Russia whatsoever and I strongly oppose Putin's actions in Ukraine. That said, I wonder about the legal ramifications of this move. Namecheap is essentially unilaterally terminating a (probably yearly) contract without the other party being at fault per se. There's no legal cause. Will they be refunding the customers they are kicking out? Or will they be…

> Will they be refunding the customers they are kicking out? Or will they be keeping the money for services not rendered?

Namecheap support staff is happy process your request of a refund for the service. Unfortunately, processing the refund may take a while, because the said support staff is hiding in a metro tunnel or dead.

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