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Post by Nursie »

sneak wrote: post #691
Nursie wrote: post #517

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And if we put 'black people' in there you could make me look like a racist too! Wow. There are many reasons your allegory doesn't apply - 'people who want to pay cash' are not a protected class. Serving people with disabilities doesn't put me at risk of theft either, nor does it increase my banking costs. You're going to have to show some pretty good evidence of a positive social outcome to make this persuasive, beca…

All protected classes are protected classes because society agreed that they should be and codified those beliefs into law. The argument that is being made is that people who want to pay cash should be a protected class, with their ability to transact protected in law, so that every participant in society may benefit from those rights should they ever be needed.

Indeed, and I'm saying there should be a damned good reason to force business to do it. Those others are damned good reasons.

I'm not seeing it here.

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Post by Nursie »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #765
ladallada wrote: post #578

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I'm all for putting more transparency and reasonable bounds on the process formally, but I think you're missing two points: 1. While having formal bounds would be great, in this case, it hasn't been shown yet that they applied force unreasonably and beyond what those bounds should be. Some people want to believe they froze assets of innocent bystanders or small local donors, but that's just conjecture right now. 2. I…

It should be noted that they did use physical force against the protesters to clear them from the street. That included teargas, pepper spray, batons, kneeing while prostrate on the ground with multiple officers present and no resistance from the protester, horses ridden through a peaceful crowd with at least two people knocked down and possibly injured including a women who appeared to be in her late 60s or 70s who…

> kneeing while prostrate on the ground with multiple officers present

Going to need some pretty good evidence of that, sounds to me like a great lawsuit waiting to happen.

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Post by dang »

JPKab wrote: post #814
dang wrote: post #812

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Would you please stop posting political and/or ideological flamewar comments to HN? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you have a long history of breaking the rules here and we've had to warn you many times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27390797 (June 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052599 (May 2021) https://news.…

What is the line here? Isn't the entire thread, including comments I'm responding to, political? I've had an account for 10 years. I get the sense that whenever I'm in any thread where many others are making similar, political comments, somebody gets upset and flags mine and I'm the one punished. The parent comments are all political. So what is the line between flame bait and commenting on politics? The most recent…

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23959679

If you take a look at those and still have questions that haven't been answered, let me know and I'll be happy to try filling in the gaps.

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Post by Nursie »

allisdust wrote: post #468
beloch wrote: post #287

The most concerning thing about Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act is that it was both unnecessary and, despite the protests being quelled, ongoing . First, the police in Ottawa chose not to enforce even basic laws in the area of the protest for several weeks. The result was lawlessness and a total lack of respect for the police. They were being jeered at for putting threatening flyers under windshield wipers one d…

Is it really unclear? There are examples from other countries. Erdogan got emergency powers during a coup and continued to hold on to them for a long time and before finally giving up, he made enough changes in the constitution and law that effectively he retains all of them. I see the same pattern here. I would be surprised if there is going to be another PM ever in Canada. If it sounds ridiculous, think about the f…

Oh look, the emergency powers have come to an end, after having been used moderately and proportionatelty.

What a surprise. I guess Canada isn't a broken state after all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-event-feb23-1.63618...

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Post by throwaway4aday »

Nursie wrote: post #842
throwaway4aday wrote: post #765

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It should be noted that they did use physical force against the protesters to clear them from the street. That included teargas, pepper spray, batons, kneeing while prostrate on the ground with multiple officers present and no resistance from the protester, horses ridden through a peaceful crowd with at least two people knocked down and possibly injured including a women who appeared to be in her late 60s or 70s who…

> kneeing while prostrate on the ground with multiple officers present Going to need some pretty good evidence of that, sounds to me like a great lawsuit waiting to happen.

There are multiple videos, you can google it

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Post by hkt »

inter_netuser wrote: post #712
hkt wrote: post #555

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Credit unions are also good for this: they won't necessarly have the modern comforts of a bank, but your local one (if you have one) will do cash based accounts, in person. They still KYC but since they're not plugged in to swift etc they might work well as a backup plan in situations like yours.

They are plugged into SWIFT, if not directly, then whoever happens to be their backoffice provider, which is usually a large bank. They are all subject to the same regs, and most credit unions aren't any better than large banks.

I'm writing from the UK where most credit unions don't offer interbank transfers or cards. If you need somewhere to stow cash, it is likely they won't be as heavily overseen by regulators here. Some are less basic but many are, I suspect, small enough to fly under the radar.

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Post by dheera »

fortuna86 wrote: post #836
smcl wrote: post #668

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I wonder how this would impact tourism. Like, if I'm at the beginning stage of planning a trip and I'm choosing where I want to go then "weirdly requires setting up a payment app" is one of the criteria that puts a country quite far down my list.

> "weirdly requires setting up a payment app" is one of the criteria that puts a country quite far down my list. Goes beyond that. The visa process is the most intense of any major country (if you have a high ranking passport). WeChat (the only way to communicate) requires you to be invited by someone else already in country. Street signs aren't in English, neither are any public transport aids. You can't communicate…

> once you leave the cities no one speaks English

To be fair, almost nobody in the US speaks Chinese outside the major cities.

There is no reason English needs to be the "default" language of the world just because they colonized everyone.

If you travel somewhere and don't make an effort to learn some basic words of the local language, that's okay to do, but don't complain about how hard it is to get around.

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Post by fortuna86 »

dheera wrote: post #847
fortuna86 wrote: post #836

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> "weirdly requires setting up a payment app" is one of the criteria that puts a country quite far down my list. Goes beyond that. The visa process is the most intense of any major country (if you have a high ranking passport). WeChat (the only way to communicate) requires you to be invited by someone else already in country. Street signs aren't in English, neither are any public transport aids. You can't communicate…

> once you leave the cities no one speaks English To be fair, almost nobody in the US speaks Chinese outside the major cities. There is no reason English needs to be the "default" language of the world just because they colonized everyone. If you travel somewhere and don't make an effort to learn some basic words of the local language, that's okay to do, but don't complain about how hard it is to get around.

> To be fair, almost nobody in the US speaks Chinese outside the major cities.

Does anyone have that as a realistic expectation?

> There is no reason English needs to be the "default" language of the world just because they colonized everyone.

Except English has a relatively small "native" footprint, not that many speak it as their mother tongue. There are many more secondary speakers of English than primary in the world. If the popularity of English was the result of colonialism, none of the above would apply.

> If you travel somewhere and don't make an effort to learn some basic words of the local language, that's okay to do, but don't complain about how hard it is to get around.

Are you implying that travelers to China (say with a Latin language as a base) should realistically try and learn basic Chinese for a weeks holiday? Do you have any idea how long that would take?

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Post by YZF »

raxxorrax wrote: post #833
YZF wrote: post #816

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If I don't like traffic laws, let's say it really annoys me to drive slowly on residential streets, is it ok for me to go downtown and start smashing the windows of all stores on main street? I'm protesting so it's fine to break the law? People implying that Canada doesn't have civil rights seem to mostly not be from here and they've no idea what they're talking about. Rights are balanced with responsibilities. I too…

Obviously that was not a statement against any and all laws.

well, you don't get to choose... That's the idea. You either work within the democratic framework you don't.
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