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Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary people keep telling themselves that Apple is going to change their device pricing due to pressure from the rest of the market. Good luck this time.

Remember when people said the iPod was doomed because of cheaper competition? That didn't work out so hot, I hear.

And yet apple still released the shuffle... Weird huh?

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

I agree. I also think that the damage is going to be more for current-android-tablet makers, such as Samsung, Acer, Asus, Viewsonic ..etc. More so to the ones who price their tablets above $400. Everyone's going to compare them to the Fire and say, "Why even consider anything when I can get this for half the price?". Pretty safe to say, Amazon's tablet is going to beat all the other android-tablets.

That makes no sense. I think $199 is a great deal for a 7" tablet, and they will sell like hotcakes. But anyone selling a $400+ tablet is offering a 10.1" screen. This is a completely different user experience, and very likely a different market. Persoanlly, I don't even understand the attraction of a 7" tablet. I'm quite OK with paying 2x the price for something that's about the same size as a sheet of paper or a textbook, however.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

Well, the iPad has many more apps (at least for the moment) and a bigger screen, both of which make it more suitable for light-to-medium work stuff.

For example, I can perfectly imagine (and there are many cases of this) a college student passing up on buying a laptop for class and opt for an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard instead. In this scenario, this setup can effectively replace a computer for most students most of the time.

However, I don't see how a kindle fire can fit into that context.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Logic is a game of symbols and relationships. The iPad is the best tool I've ever seen for working with symbols and relationships.

Have you ever seen a whiteboard? I do anything remotely logic based on one.

My whiteboard even has a fantastic multi-user interaction system!

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? I don't think the iPad is that much more a real laptop replacement than the Fire. I think people bill it as one to themselves to help justify paying for an iPad.

It's not so much a real laptop replacement as it is a "computing device while on the go". Whereas four years ago you'd get a netbook, now… you kind of need a good reason not to get an iPad/Fire.

It's a subset of computing. I have my main work laptop, which I'm not going to take camping or up to the cottage. In this space, a tablet is perfect but we used to settle for a "meh laptop".

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

Well, the iPad has many more apps (at least for the moment) and a bigger screen, both of which make it more suitable for light-to-medium work stuff. For example, I can perfectly imagine (and there are many cases of this) a college student passing up on buying a laptop for class and opt for an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard instead. In this scenario, this setup can effectively replace a computer for most students most…

Also, an iPad has a camera and mic - which makes it a viable option for keeping in touch with people. Video calling is something you expect to do from your computer today.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #32
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary people keep telling themselves that Apple is going to change their device pricing due to pressure from the rest of the market. Good luck this time.

I think Apple's pricing in relationship to other brands is changing. They have historically been seen as a premium brand and were priced accordingly. These days though, they tend to be much more on price-parity or even winning on price. Take a look at how the iMac compares to other premium all-in-one machines? Fairly close. Then the iPad - when the Android competitors were coming out we kept saying how they'd have to…

I think they're still the consumer electronics premium brand par excellence, but they've dominated their supply chains so thoroughly that they've found savings other companies just can't compete with.

You can still buy a laptop for a lot less than $999, though, and that's where other people will come out of the woodwork to show you loud, clumsy looking Acer and HP machines.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

The iPad is not a laptop killer for people who want to be productive on it. Period.

If they want to make the iPad a laptop killer, they first need to make it more like Asus's Transformer, with a keyboard dock, and second, they need to get more apps on iOS that can replace people's need for Windows apps.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? I don't think the iPad is that much more a real laptop replacement than the Fire. I think people bill it as one to themselves to help justify paying for an iPad.

The screen size is important. If you've tried to use the web on a nook its lucky to be an average experience, generally its actually pretty horrible as its so small. The iPad as a slightly better experience due to size alone, but even still I don't like using safari.

Anecdotally most people I know with iPads have stopped using laptops outright. Disclaimer here that the majority of owners are older.

The interesting thing to see is how the Silk browser addresses the issue of terrible web experience on small screens.

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