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Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

Despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary people keep telling themselves that Apple is going to change their device pricing due to pressure from the rest of the market. Good luck this time.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #8

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

He's not crazy and that conclusion is not unique to gruber. The screen area of the iPad is nearly 2x that of the fire. Resolution is 1.3x but pixel density will increase on iPad3. They are about as competitive as a 15" laptop is to a netbook: not very as they are physically quite different. The price difference reflects this.

Consumers are funny, though. They don't really care about stats; that kind of data is for geeks, who are not the target audience for this at all.

And don't forget Christensen's adage that the truly disruptive technology is typically a little bit worse and a whole lot cheaper than the incumbent technology.

One way or another, there are some big advantages to a smaller screen.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#13

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

The Kindle is not for getting work done. It is for consuming content.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

Logicians? I'm not seeing the iPad app to write math papers without, y'know, writing.

Logic is a game of symbols and relationships. The iPad is the best tool I've ever seen for working with symbols and relationships.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #5

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

I agree. I also think that the damage is going to be more for current-android-tablet makers, such as Samsung, Acer, Asus, Viewsonic ..etc. More so to the ones who price their tablets above $400. Everyone's going to compare them to the Fire and say, "Why even consider anything when I can get this for half the price?". Pretty safe to say, Amazon's tablet is going to beat all the other android-tablets.

It's hard to know what to do with that information in a world in which the current android tablet makers can barely give their devices away.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#16

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

   Musicians, artists, animators, ???
Any serious professional will have a maxed out task specific equipment.

    logicians??
Lol I take it that you are not being serious!

teachers, doctors, researchers!

haha Doctors need to enter lots of information and prefer a laptop / proper keyboard. As far as researchers are concerned any serious researcher will be either using legacy software or cutting edge software that runs on specialized machine. And oh if you actually leave your hipster utopia you will realize that teachers get paid peanuts.

please iPad is a toy and kindle fire is a cheaper and much more affordable toy.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#17
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not crazy and that conclusion is not unique to gruber. The screen area of the iPad is nearly 2x that of the fire. Resolution is 1.3x but pixel density will increase on iPad3. They are about as competitive as a 15" laptop is to a netbook: not very as they are physically quite different. The price difference reflects this.

Consumers are funny, though. They don't really care about stats; that kind of data is for geeks, who are not the target audience for this at all. And don't forget Christensen's adage that the truly disruptive technology is typically a little bit worse and a whole lot cheaper than the incumbent technology. One way or another, there are some big advantages to a smaller screen.

Consumes don’t care about stuff they can’t (easily) see. Pixel density, probably. 10" and 7" tablets are, however, sufficiently different.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #6

"You can get a Kindle Fire and a new top-of-the-line e-ink Kindle Touch for less than the price of an iPad. It’s a very different take." But few will want to carry both. This is the one problem with non-general-purpose tablets. Various discussions I've seen today imply, by intent or by chance, getting more than one tablet. To succeed in the long run, users must see the device as My One Tablet - which will include any…

If I have the money, I'd be just as glad to separate my ebook-reading from everything else. When I read an ebook, I do want an eInk screen, ridiculous battery life, and no distracting apps or websites.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #8

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

He's not crazy and that conclusion is not unique to gruber. The screen area of the iPad is nearly 2x that of the fire. Resolution is 1.3x but pixel density will increase on iPad3. They are about as competitive as a 15" laptop is to a netbook: not very as they are physically quite different. The price difference reflects this.

No one buys tablets by the square yard, though. Lots of people seem to say that a 10" tablet is inherently better than a 7" tablet, but I think the market is still far too young to really know the winning form factor.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

The Kindle is not for getting work done. It is for consuming content.

That’s the point.
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