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Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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I think the Kindle light is a great idea. I just scooped one myself. I rarely used the keyboard on my original Kindle, plus this one is much slimmer and compact -- awesome. Can't wait for the light to come in.

Personally I think a touchpad Kindle with eink is overkill. The touchpad is nice, but I don't see why I would ever need it if I'm just casually reading. That plus I'm a sucker for slimness and the added dimensions killed it for me :)

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #11

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

Despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary people keep telling themselves that Apple is going to change their device pricing due to pressure from the rest of the market. Good luck this time.

I think Apple's pricing in relationship to other brands is changing. They have historically been seen as a premium brand and were priced accordingly. These days though, they tend to be much more on price-parity or even winning on price. Take a look at how the iMac compares to other premium all-in-one machines? Fairly close. Then the iPad - when the Android competitors were coming out we kept saying how they'd have to be so much cheaper to compete and they weren't. Finally, the Air's $1000 price point is half of what Intel was positioning the Ultrabooks which has caused the other manufacturers to scramble cut their prices.

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post #6

"You can get a Kindle Fire and a new top-of-the-line e-ink Kindle Touch for less than the price of an iPad. It’s a very different take." But few will want to carry both. This is the one problem with non-general-purpose tablets. Various discussions I've seen today imply, by intent or by chance, getting more than one tablet. To succeed in the long run, users must see the device as My One Tablet - which will include any…

I currently carry around an MBP and a kindle. I could see (in some hypothetical, far-flung future where touchscreen keyboards weren't utter crap) dropping the laptop for a tablet, but I could never see dropping eInk for anything suitable for a general-purpose tablet. Barring some eInk-led hybrid, I simply can't see using a general-purpose tablet as a reading device. The kindle is simply far too good. I've been reading ebooks on my laptop for years, and I've read more books in the six months since I've gotten my kindle than I had in the 6 years prior. It's just that good.

The kindle isn't a tablet. It's your library in your pocket. Don't confuse form with function.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

The Kindle is not for getting work done. It is for consuming content.

The potentially interesting question is whether the iPad is actually good for non-consumption tasks. All the faculty in my research group purchase Apple products, and most of them are wandering about with iPads. They're all quite happy to use them for reading papers, reading email, etc. However, none of them, despite having been using the devices for some time (close to year for some) even feel comfortable using them for technical email, let alone writing lectures, presentations, or papers.

Again, I don't know whether the software to make those tasks workable _could_ exist; I simply have experiential evidence that it does not yet.

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I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not?

I don't think the iPad is that much more a real laptop replacement than the Fire. I think people bill it as one to themselves to help justify paying for an iPad.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logicians? I'm not seeing the iPad app to write math papers without, y'know, writing.

Logic is a game of symbols and relationships. The iPad is the best tool I've ever seen for working with symbols and relationships.

Have you ever seen a whiteboard? I do anything remotely logic based on one.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #18
post #6

"You can get a Kindle Fire and a new top-of-the-line e-ink Kindle Touch for less than the price of an iPad. It’s a very different take." But few will want to carry both. This is the one problem with non-general-purpose tablets. Various discussions I've seen today imply, by intent or by chance, getting more than one tablet. To succeed in the long run, users must see the device as My One Tablet - which will include any…

If I have the money, I'd be just as glad to separate my ebook-reading from everything else. When I read an ebook, I do want an eInk screen, ridiculous battery life, and no distracting apps or websites.

My problem is that I ultimately find an e-ink Kindle too limited as a reading device. I have a substantial number of ebooks in PDF format, and only a minority of them are effectively readable on my 2nd gen Kindle. (There are other use cases like comics and cookbooks where e-ink falls down on the job as well.)

Honestly, my Android phone with ezPDF is a better reader.

So something like this looks just about perfect.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#38

He's crazy to assume that the Kindle Fire isn't competitive with the iPad, or that the $199 price point isn't going to at least partially inform the pricing of the iPad 3. The days of the $700 tablet are over.

As soon as we see people getting work done on the Kindle Fire, I'll grant you that. If your work involves a lot of writing, then the iPad isn't an obvious boon [1]. But if you can do your work more efficiently by treating data and actions as symbols, the iPad is just overflowing with potential, much of it already being realized. Musicians, artists, animators, logicians, teachers, doctors, researchers; the list of pro…

To me the e-ink Kindle is life-changing ... it's what I wanted since 10 years ago, an affordable e-ink reader and access to the biggest library of books on earth, just one click away.

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite 10 years of evidence to the contrary people keep telling themselves that Apple is going to change their device pricing due to pressure from the rest of the market. Good luck this time.

Only ten years of evidence? I still remember the Performa lines costing twice as much as a comparable PC. I wouldn't go so far as to call Apple products Veblen goods, but they're pretty close, and I don't see iPad's $500 pricing harming it in any way.

Just using '10 years' as weak shorthand for the last time I could remember anyone was right about Apple cutting prices. Certainly they did in the clone era (-1997) and you can argue the original iMac as well (thru 2002 when the sunflower debuted).

Re: Daring Fireball: Amazon's New Kindles

#40

I don't understand this:"The iPad is a credible laptop replacement for many people and with iCloud and another year or two of hardware improvements, that’s going to be true for more and more people. The Kindle Fire is a laptop replacement for almost no one. It’s a peripheral, not a second computer and it’s priced accordingly. " What is it that makes the iPad a possible laptop replacement, but the Fire not? To me, the…

Marketing, screen size and apps. Amazon for now, as far as I can tell, is positioning it as a "Amazon content consumption device" instead of a "lifestyle companion".

Mind you, I don't disagree. I think you'd have to be a little ridiculous to own both a Fire and an iPad, and a 10inch Fire is likely inevitable in a couple of years. On the other hand, I'm about to buy the old Kindle and am aiming to maybe purchase an iPad3 down the road.

I love this because it gives Apple competition. Finally, a viable tablet competitor.

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