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Sounds like the form factor Toyota has used in their NiMH packs for basically forever. They’re surprisingly serviceable for DIYers.
So Toyota still uses nimh in its hybrids? Does that make them longer lasting?
Panasonic to begin mass producing new 4680 Tesla battery by March 2024
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FWIW: that's a survivorship bias effect. Old cars don't have "crazy maintenance costs" until they do, at which point they get scrapped and aren't in the population of "old cars" anymore. It's absolutely possible to find 20 year old Corollas (or whatever). But that's not representative. (Also, those 20 year old cars tend to be running around with components from a bunch of parted-out 14 year old vehicles!)
“ But that's not representative.” Except that it is.
[1] Let me specify "passenger vehicles" and "US roads" lest someone jump in to point out that box trucks last longer or that cars get shipped to foreign markets at end of life, etc...
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#43As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…
Fwiw, I work in the sector and track the TCO comparisons for business modeling. Unless there’s a major shift (ex. Resurgence of tax rebates), you’re looking at 2025-2026 being the sweet spot where EVs will have plentiful options and actually make sense financially for most people instead of keeping a used ICE car.
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#44As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…
For me the best next move is to wait for the car to give up the ghost in the road --just hoping I do not become a ghost inside it!
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I guess it depends a lot on the mileage but I know people with 20 year old Toyota Corollas with more than 200 thousand miles that are still going strong. No crazy maintenance costs either.
FWIW: that's a survivorship bias effect. Old cars don't have "crazy maintenance costs" until they do, at which point they get scrapped and aren't in the population of "old cars" anymore. It's absolutely possible to find 20 year old Corollas (or whatever). But that's not representative. (Also, those 20 year old cars tend to be running around with components from a bunch of parted-out 14 year old vehicles!)
Anybody who has to stiff someone to scrape up the lump sum to replace a transmission is probably going to replace the transmission rather than roll the dice spending the same or more on a different car that might need something else in short order. Those people also aren't the same people who rack up big bills for random suspension wear parts because they don't have those parts replaced until they start impeding the vehicle's ability to get from A to B because they can't afford to indulge in that kind of maintenance.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW: that's a survivorship bias effect. Old cars don't have "crazy maintenance costs" until they do, at which point they get scrapped and aren't in the population of "old cars" anymore. It's absolutely possible to find 20 year old Corollas (or whatever). But that's not representative. (Also, those 20 year old cars tend to be running around with components from a bunch of parted-out 14 year old vehicles!)
Depends who owns it and what their financial situation is. Anybody who has to stiff someone to scrape up the lump sum to replace a transmission is probably going to replace the transmission rather than roll the dice spending the same or more on a different car that might need something else in short order. Those people also aren't the same people who rack up big bills for random suspension wear parts because they don…
With what, though? Not a new part. A transmission from another vehicle that got scrapped. That's the point: these cars don't "last" on their own, they're just the winners in a cannibalism race.
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#47As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…
Just for the record- it only takes about 21k miles of driving (a year or two for most people) to release as much CO2 as the production of the battery for a long range Tesla Model 3. The standard range Model 3 comes in just under 16k miles. It seems to me like most people expect more. Also, I don't think EV prices have really changed that much. Chip shortages haven't really affected it. High gas prices and inflation a…
EV prices have shot up along with other new cars. Probably the 2 best known EVs, the Tesla Model S and Model 3 went from $77.4k to $99.5k and from $38.1k to $46.1k in 2021. 28% and 21% increases respectively.
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#48As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…
I bet it is good for another 10-11 years. Also it is always a good time to buy a new car* *according to ads
Indeed, and in reality it's probably better (as far as the planet goes) to keep on using the same car as long as possible because that means no new one has to be produced. Kinda hard to offset that with an EV even. At least I seem to recall that was the consensus but I cannot find where I got that. HN, I'd guess :)
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#49As a Canadian who's currently driving a 9 year old Mazda 3, I'm waiting for the day it decides to call quits so I can move to an EV (9 isn't that old, so I'm hopeful at least another 2-3 years) That said, I wish there was a site that simply told me now's the right time to buy an EV. With supply chain issues, long waits for a new car, government rebates, and the influx of new inventory/models, it's hard to keep up whe…
I’ve thought my next vehicle would be an EV since 1998. But next time for sure.
Assuming you have an acceptable parking/charging solution available, a plug-in hybrid is a good option. The Chrysler uses gas more often in the winter to run the heater but even before the pandemic, we'd go a year on five tanks of gasoline (four of which were in the winter months).
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#50This cylindrical form factor might make sense for batteries that have thermal runaway potential, to keep the unit size small so that the whole battery doesn't go into thermal runaway, only one cell. But for LFP or iron based batteries which don't have such issues, the blade design should be cheaper, more maintainable, more space and weight efficient etc. There's no glue so you can actually just switch individual blad…