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Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by angelbob »

mrinterweb wrote: post #21

Personally, I don't understand the hype of rubyenv. I really love rvm. I'm not sure why the author called rvm a "mess of bash scripts". I guess because rvm has a lot of features? If I did not care for gemsets and all of the other niceties that rvm has, I guess I would be on the market for another ruby manager. The fact that the author of this article was rubbed the wrong way by Wayne and rvm, rubbed me the wrong way.

Part of the problem is that it overrides extremely low-level things like cd. That can get in your way pretty badly if there's a bug, or just a feature you don't understand.

Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by gurkendoktor »

I thought the ad-hominem-ish bit about rvm was disappointing. The Ruby landscape is a weird place where each project belongs to one and only one name. Instead of improving on projects, people prefer to invent their own, and then the drama race begins. Open your Gemfile and try to find a gem with a truck factor != 1.

I think it is natural and understandable because there are many Ruby freelancers around who desire to build a brand around their name. But the "competition" between rbenv and rvm was not constructive at all so far. It would be much more helpful if there was one .rubyversion file that both would respect, for starters.

Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by crazydiamond »

kristopolous wrote: post #48
saraid216 wrote: post #12

I thought this post would be about Ruby, but instead it's about Rails. Sort of. :(

Alright, let's do ruby then. I use vim with Ri, Rdoc, and ack-grep plugins ( https://github.com/kristopolous/vimbuild ) and then use irb with a bunch of extensions ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2952793/anything-like-bpy... ) but there is nothing out there that makes my life phenomenally easy yet (for instance, some really awesome code navigation tool). zsh has built-in autocomplete for ri; try running zsh then…

How are you getting this completion from ri ? I use zsh, and the rvm's ri (.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-head/bin/ri) gives no completion at all (ri 2.5.8).

However, /usr/bin/ri (ri v1.0.1 - 20041108) does give completion but different from your list. ri K gives Classes and methods (e.g. Kconv\#guess) and not just classes. So it's a huge list. Thx.

Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by telemachos »

uptown wrote: post #35

Any recommendations for a good beginner ruby/rails book? Coming from a PHP world, but want to learn something new.

For tutorial/walkthrough with lots of example small scripts Beginning Ruby, 2nd ed by Peter Cooper. For a straight reference The Ruby Programming Language by David Flanagan and Yukihiro Matsumoto. A middle-ground (tutorial first half; reference second half): Programming Ruby 1.9 (aka, the Pickaxe Book) by Dave Thomas.

A great second book (maybe even first if you're comfortable enough learning basic syntax on your own) is Eloquent Ruby by Russ Olsen.

Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by Vitaly »

angelbob wrote: post #11
sunkencity wrote: post #6

Interesting guide, one thing I find lacking in ruby is longevity in projects. Too much cool new stuff, why not just work out the bugs in the existing projects instead? Of course it's easier to write a new half-assed implementation than getting the hard last percent done. Interesting that he roots for homebrew over macports and rbenv over rvm while at the same time voting for capistrano. Of those 3 projects I find mac…

Capistrano is lacking, but has fewer good alternatives. What would you recommend over it?

we are using vlad instead of capistrano and are very happy with it. it is much simpler conceptually. Also from several projects that I converted from capistrano to vlad it runs much much faster for the standard deployment process. I'm not sure what is the reason as I didn't investigate it much.

we have custom vlad plugins for usual rails related stuff, so our config/deploy.rb scripts are usually about 5-10 lines long. see https://github.com/astrails/vladify

Re: Modern Ruby Development

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Post by Vitaly »

angelbob wrote: post #51
mrinterweb wrote: post #21

Personally, I don't understand the hype of rubyenv. I really love rvm. I'm not sure why the author called rvm a "mess of bash scripts". I guess because rvm has a lot of features? If I did not care for gemsets and all of the other niceties that rvm has, I guess I would be on the market for another ruby manager. The fact that the author of this article was rubbed the wrong way by Wayne and rvm, rubbed me the wrong way.

Part of the problem is that it overrides extremely low-level things like cd. That can get in your way pretty badly if there's a bug, or just a feature you don't understand.

this is not quite correct. it has a configuration option for this and you can set it to false. it was actually set to false as default for a while after rubyenv was released but then it reverted to true by default as I suppose it a better option for most users.

but again, if you don't like this part of rvm, just switch it off

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