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Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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It’s a good point that so far, major changes for miners haven’t affected operations. I’m not sure it’s true that nobody knows where they are. There are rankings by country. They need Internet access and power. Many operate openly. Large data centers aren’t invisible. Also, miners were kicked out of Kyrgyzstan. Many machines were confiscated. It seems a lot of miners moved to the US because, even if they are eventuall…

They just stop it as they don't know how to use it and they also don't care about it anyway. Only the corrupt ones might accept a bribe.

So far that’s been true. Would you count on people never learning?

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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> Kumbhani is charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit commodity price manipulation, operation of an unlicensed money transmitting business, and conspiracy to commit international money laundering. If convicted of all counts, he faces a maximum total penalty of 70 years in prison.

Liberty Reserve operator Arthur Budovsky is serving his 20 year prison sentence, Kumbhani will likely serve 40+ years.

Liberty Reserve wasn't even incorporated in US or did a lot of business after getting booted but that didn't stop it from being used as money laundering.

Tether isn't very much different, LR/E-gold both tried various forms of insulation (LR not providing fiat on-ramp/off-ramp but through "verified" 3rd party).

In the end, the trail of money and cui bono ultimately indicted Arthur for facilitating money laundering and subverting US banking system. It's very likely that DOJ and other three letter agencies are utilizing Tether/Bitcoin/Monero as a honeypot to gather intelligence on the parties.

Imagine the wealth of information they are sitting on after capturing the hard drives of darknet marketplaces like Alphabay which were allegedly used to trace a former YC alumni's stolen Bitcoins.

Tether is a well known cable for moving money out of China and into real estate markets in the West, it's ironic that so many do not see the complete geopolitical ramifications: housing affordability has been hijacked to facilitate money exfiltration in authoritarian countries by the elites in the West, to make cheap goods.

In the West, lower and middle class unwittingly traded affordable housing for affordable consumer goods produced by authoritarian labor control and the beneficiaries of this were able to move their wealth out of reach from the same authoritarian government. Now that the musical chairs is ending, the same demographic in the West are being encouraged to become unwitting exit liquidity for the upper class. I predict this would have destabilizing effect on societies all over the world, especially countries that are over-leveraged and buying crypto on margin.

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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Keep in mind that "financial crimes" can mean very different things to very different regimes. In Nazi Germany, it was a "financial crime" for Jews to take any wealth with them when they emigrated.

This idea that cryptocurrency is good because it enables “good” crimes (avoiding unjust oppressive governments) is at odds with the hard facts that cryptocurrency is used for “bad” crimes far more often. Many orders of magnitude more often, in fact. I just can’t buy into these arguments that we should be overlooking these rampant frauds and crimes (like the multi-billion fraud in this article and many more like it) b…

> This idea that cryptocurrency is good because it enables “good” crimes (avoiding unjust oppressive governments) is at odds with the hard facts that cryptocurrency is used for “bad” crimes far more often.

The Fifth Amendment is invoked far more often by actual criminals to hide their crimes than people avoiding government oppression. Doesn’t mean the Fifth should be abolished.

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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how is it less efficient? Obviously btc can't replace the financial system but crypto can. Investors in the next 10 years are going to realise that an omnipool was all that was needed in the first place and the NYSE is a dinosaur in comparison.

Etherium is looking for a PoS system. Guess what our current fiat system actually is? A highly finetuned evolutionary PoS system. It has features like: - transparency - fraud detection - political sanctions (russia vs. ukraine, north korea, iran...) - fairness due to transparency (you pay your taxes, i do: we both pay our fair share of infrastrucutre cost etc.) - easy to use (my grandparenst were able to use it) - sa…

- transparency Crypto, besides privacy coins is the most transparent you can possibily get. It's a public, immutable ledger. The US can literally go in an change the total supply anytime with zero transparency. And since USD is the global denomination of debt, when i increase my supply it actually makes my currency more valuable since everyone is shorting their own currency (Since their debt is in USD) and inflation leads to asset inflation which is a good thing for the wealthy, but a negative thing for those holding and dealing in USD. = us plebs.

- fraud detection

See point above, fraud is built into the system.

- political sanctions (russia vs. ukraine, north korea, iran...)

Political sanctions have been this economic philosophy that hasn't entirely played out in the countries doing the sanctions favor. These economies, due to force have been required to be much more verticly integrated and invest into the economies most hit by sanctions. Sanctions don't do much and the problem is, the more you sanction the less leverage you have.

- fairness due to transparency (you pay your taxes, i do: we both pay our fair share of infrastrucutre cost etc.)

What is fair about the current tax system? See my transparency point above, all those people trying to evade crypto taxs are in for a rude awakening when the governmeent develops machine learning to track and trade public ledgers... Everyone knows it's a public ledger... exactly the oposite of being descrete.

- easy to use (my grandparenst were able to use it)

Becausee it started being built when your grandparents grandparents were alive. Most shops didn't accept CC's when they first came out and it took a generation for the technology to preliforate. I'd say crypto has done what the old system did in 1/4 of the time.

- save

I get 4% APR on my stablecoins. 20+% on my DeFi Pools paid in stable coins.

- easy authentication and authorization system (i can get money with my passport)

I can provide authorization with a 10 word pneumonic.

- globally accepted

What is globally accepted exactly? USD? no it's not... it's only acceepted in the US. If i want to do business globally i have to swap to that asset. I not only have to worry about remittance, currency exchanges, trade fees and loan denomination. Terra has the ability to swap between many different currencies using stablecoins with almost no transaction fees.

- low transaction fees

BTC and Eth have extremely high transaction fees, but any V3 crypto has lower transaction fees than the current financial system. - self optimizing system due to capital market (one bank can do transactions faster and cheaper than you can)

self optimizing system due to capital market (one bank can do transactions faster and cheaper than you can)

Play around with some decentralized exchanges, solona or DOT. they can do transactions faster and cheaper than any incumbent, including VISA or the NYSE.

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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for the rothchilds it represents .00001% of their total wealth. The rothchilds keep their wealth in art, land and gold and why they have managed to stay rich for so long. I can point to atleast one person who's class shifted and that person is me. Also, you cherry picked one point among many and misunderstood it. Although there may be some of the financial elite who bought in early in BTC and crypto (Especially A-Z)…

What you're saying comes down to "it might make the problem of inequality and class worse, but hey maybe I'll be on top this time". I suspect you're having a hard time getting people to sympathize and are receiving a lot of pushback because that is an incredibly selfish view that makes people dislike what you're proposing.

You're coming at if from an angle of fixed pie wealth, then yes. It might make inequality and class worse. But if the total wealth on planet earth is not fixed and you can create wealth through technological innovation, network effects and solidarity then no, giving the technologically driven nerds alot of money to do cool shit with hardly makes "he problem of inequality and class worse".

Edit: Also, your WSj article is bullshit. I believed you, but that analysis is a bold faced lie and cherry picks alot of facts to arrive at the analysis. OFC all the exchanges are going to appear to have alot of btc and since they are "Actively" trading it, that's the only accounts showing up on the analysis. Most of the BTC owners are maxi's - they don't move or use their BTC. Look at a real wallet distrobution and exclude sitoshi's old wallets cause everyone is pretty sure those are lost to the world. BTC distro is ALOT more decentralized than the USD.

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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And how do you feel about economic sanctions for Russia, Putin, etc? (And crypto being a way to evade them) Do you think a cryptocurrency is any less susceptible to civil forfeiture than cash?

You are correct, evading economic sanctions is another problem crypto solves. :) (I am not here to make any value judgments)

You've just made one.

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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Crypto may well be the biggest solution looking for a problem I've ever seen. Apart from the obvious issues (eg energy expenditure) the one myth that needs to die about crypto is that it is extragovernmental and indictments such as this and the Bitfinex laundering case recently should underline that. The simple fact is that the developed world could shut down what little utility cryptocurrencies (and NFTs) have tomor…

Cryptocurrency is the solution for a very valuable problem. How do you commit financial crimes and frauds in a way just new enough to confuse people that what you're doing may be valuable?

What exactly is the valuable problem you are thinking in your head and how is it better solved by cryptocurrency and blockchain that can't already be done with existing methods, technologies and contractual agreements backed by various international treaties and dialectic tests for loopholes through thousands and thousands of years trading between countries, provinces, cities and entities?

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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Why do people trust middlemen to handle their crypto in a safe manner? The whole idea behind crypto is that it's decentralized. Interacting with exchanges, investment platforms, etc is asking for trouble. Assume any exchange is another MtGox waiting to happen. Assume you no longer own your funds once you interact with any crypto platform. Fraud is rampant in the crypto scene and has been since the beginning. And for…

The biggest part is for onboarding. The second biggest is for lower fees. The third biggest is because it's easier.

Fees are why I haven't moved my ETH after using an exchange to buy some for USD. I don't want to pay the stupidly high costs to move the ETH into a wallet that I fully control. Especially because turning that back to USD so it's actually usable in day-to-day transactions would require paying yet more fees to move the ETH back to an exchange (or to an independent buyer).

Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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Cryptocurrency is the solution for a very valuable problem. How do you commit financial crimes and frauds in a way just new enough to confuse people that what you're doing may be valuable?

What exactly is the valuable problem you are thinking in your head and how is it better solved by cryptocurrency and blockchain that can't already be done with existing methods, technologies and contractual agreements backed by various international treaties and dialectic tests for loopholes through thousands and thousands of years trading between countries, provinces, cities and entities?

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Re: Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrency scheme

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The common characteristic is that "early adopters" get disproportionately large returns compared to later adopters. Indeed those later adopters are financing the exit of the participants who "got in first". In this way it's like a Ponzi scheme, but the same could be said for stocks. You might call the above a simplification; that is fine -- my point is that this is a (inaccurate) linguistic shorthand -- calling somet…

It's grossly untrue to say it's a Ponzi scheme "like stocks" which are part ownership in companies that actually sell things in the real world and are valued by the present value of their future expected cash flows, rather than cryptocurrencies which have no such relationship to the real world, and some would argue are valued entirely on the premise of returns that can only be sustained by finding the next sucker.

Some stocks have no expected cash flows, some cryptocurrencies have expected cash flows. You can't generalize entire asset classes like that.
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